There's not much I agree on with whottt around here, but you have to admit people have overreacted like a mother er to Scola's trade. To read this message board, you'd think we traded Tim.
On the other hand, whottt has to admit that he was wrong about how good Scola is turning out to be. You got pissed because of the severe overreaction that went on around here, and that's fine, but then you started spewing about the dude that had no base on reality. The guy is better than anything we could trott out there in his place right now, and probably better than anything we could try and get at this point. It was definitely a mistake by the FO, though not the catastrophy that some here would like to make you believe.
Well Oberto finished with 9 points and Scola with 16 yesterday.
It's true? Oberto still injured? Good job RC. Manu and Oberto injured. Olympic ing Games.
I don't know about Scola but that guy Nocioni...He's a warrior. Why the kid doesn't play more in Chicago? I saw the last Bulls vs Spurs and the guy played only 8 or 9 min.
What did I spew about the dude? That he was an asshole and didn't really want to be a Spur? I've said that off and on since the night we drafted him...he's made the comments in the media to justify that opinion.
As for his season...
I said he'd put up 9 and 4(assuming perfect health for the Rockets roster) off the bench. I said that he'd start off strong due to his polish and experience, and decline near the end of the season as NBA teams focused on him and learned his game, and end up shooting about 43% from the field.
I said he wouldn't make a difference in the Rockets playoff fate.
I fail to see what was so wrong abut my statement...he did worse that I predicted him to do in some ways, better in others, and made exactly the difference I thought he would.
He scores a few extra points more than Oberto does minus the toughness and defense...and Oberto had a better rebound rate.
Taking into account the fact that there hasn't been a single bigman signed by Pop whose numbers have not gone down, other than Tim Duncan...and Pop is not known for increasing the offensive output of players, while Adelman is...and the fact that we were the defending champions and it made more sense to to bring that roster back instead of turning it over and gambling on Scola's ability to adapt to the NBA...
I feel my assessment of Scola and that trade is as accurate as anyones...
Especially since we had a player in the pipeline, named Splitter who didn't say stupid things in the media, didn't blame the Spurs for his stupid buyout, and did exactly the same things Scola does on court, only being bigger...and without underperforming late in Euro championship games...
No to mention the fact that we got no better offerrs for him and he was making noises about signing longterm with Tau...
I stand by every single comment I have made concerning Scola...he has yet to prove me wrong in any way shape or form, he has yet to make a difference.
All that said...if I'd known Splitter was going to stay in Europe...I would not have been in favor of that trade. Now all someone needs to provide to me is proof they were saying Splitter was going to stay in Europe when we traded Scola, due to the falling dollar...and I've give that person some props...and only that person.
And the backtracking begins.
Now ChumpDumper and Bruno need to backtrack so we can put to bed the idea the trade was a good one.
I would have had to have said it was a good idea in the first place.
Trades made for purely financial reasons are rarely good basketball decisions.
Finally Everybody Is Starting To See That Scola Is A Badass.
Its is so freacking funny to watch how a thread goes completely far faaar away from its original topic.
I'll admit I wasn't the biggest Scola fan mostly because he wasn't in the best of shape and that made it hard to imagine him being able to keep up with NBA athletes. But seeing him this summer, he's in much better shape and he can now run, jump and move better. Plus he erased that crybaby tendency he had over the years. If he improves anywhere near as much as Ginobili or Nocioni improved from year one to year two, he's going to be damn good.
Scola went to the NBA and realized he has to be in shape. Being skilled only goes so far. Now that he's both in shape and skilled, not much can hold him back.
If he were on the Spurs, he'd be a no-brainer starter heading into next season.
And the backtracking begins.
RIF...I've been saying it since Splitter effed us. I also mentioned Splitter consistently as to why that trade wasn't a bad one. Pretty obvious when you think about it...
Then again, I don't think Pop's an idiot GM and you obviously do.
My stance on Scola never changed based on Scola himself...just like my stance on Barry and Horry didn't...it didn't have to.
Again, that trade was RC's brainchild. And the Spurs didn't have Splitter's rights for all the years you were ripping Scola.
Don't try to unbacktrack now. You've already conceded.
Only Bruno is left and then we can then put this ugly chapter behind us.
Scola's still over-rated as ..at the same time, Oberto is like 33 now. That why losing Splitter hurt. It's a huge setback as now we have no veteran to offset the decline of Oberto...
Link? I want you to prove Pop didn't okay the trade...you can provide any quote from Pop u lizing the words, "I" "did" "not" "ok" "that" and "trade".
Good luck...it's either that or prove Pop isn't a control freak...in which case I will instantly use your own words against you.
I haven't conceded ...except Splitter's decision to say in Europe effed us. Which is a no-brainer. I still like Splitter better...I still think he is better...and he pretty much proved it last season, when Tau fared just as well with him alone as they did with he and Scola.Don't try to unbacktrack now. You've already conceded.
Bruno's argument has made total sense to me from day 1...even if you try claim victory based on some out of context proof...it won't work on me like it does all the other dimwits in this forum...I know what he's been saying all along..and I pretty agree with his assessments of Scola.Only Bruno is left and then we can then put this ugly chapter behind us.
Scola not that good and he's over-rated.
Every time I see Matt Bonner on the bench, or even worse, in a game...I am reminded of the sort of players you like...
Yeah wouldn't it be nice to have Scola to help offset the decline of Oberto. And Oberto's decline is damn obvious. Even in international play, he was a s of his 2004 self. Sucks but he looks done. And I say that as a eight year fan of Oberto.
And you do realize that the Scola trade not only cost the Spurs Scola but also Splitter, right? If they let Scola sign longterm overseas, Tau wouldn't have had enough money to give Splitter his big contract.
So basically, the Spurs traded their rights to Scola and their chances of securing Splitter for nothing.
And Spurs fans tried to defend that trade . . .
You are going to the ChumpDumper "I need hidden tape recordings" well? Get your own material. And stop jinxing the Spurs by siding with ChumpDumper. Ever since you and CD have befriended each other, the Spurs have had bad luck.
You already conceded. I've crossed your name off the list.
And again, the Spurs traded their chances of ever landing Splitter in that Scola deal. So if you support the Scola trade, you support not ever getting Splitter.
That's a lie because Bruno initially said the trade was a bad one before flipflopping the next day and supporting the trade.
Fixed.
"Scola trade is good. Front office is no mistake, no surrender. The Spurs need no Scola, Bonner is showing great player he is in the 2008 Playoffs. The reports telling that the Lakers beat the Spurs are false, no team that trades bad player Scola can lose. Spurs every time closer of beating Celtics".
Bull ...Chump and I pulled Yeoman duty protecting this forum from being overrun with asshole RocketFans last season...
Some battles aren't meant for lightweights.
I've conceded the trade a bad one, because of what Splitter did, not at the time iw as made...
You already conceded. I've crossed your name off the list.
My opinion on Scola hasn't changed.
And hindsight is always 20/20....
I didn't see anyone bringing that up at the time...if they did, props to them.And again, the Spurs traded their chances of ever landing Splitter in that Scola deal. So if you support the Scola trade, you support not ever getting Splitter.
Still doesn't change my estimation of Scola.
Bruno thinks Scola's overrated too because Bruno can look beyond pts...And it's pretty easy to see Scola is over-rated. That's why everyone feels the need to spam the forum every day posting his stats....because he is over-rated, and the posters that do it, are ArgSpurfan and his ilk, or other newbies...and of course you and Solid D. Props.That's a lie because Bruno initially said the trade was a bad one before flipflopping the next day and supporting the trade.
The day I find myself sharing an analysis with ArgSpurfan is the day Is stop posting.
Scola with Duncan in the front court = More rings for SA!
I wish there's a twist of faith that would land us Scola or a good post guy to help Tim.
BTW, my name is whottt. I post on here occasionally. You'll probably see other posts by me on this forum from time to time. Including participation in various threads.[IMG]
Its is so freacking funny to watch how a thread goes completely far faaar away from its original topic.
Nice to meet you, and welcome to SpursTalk.
whottt letting commonsense overcome stubbornness.
Props
This much is true. As much as I hated the Scola trade, I hate the daily Scola updates even more. If the Spurs can survive after passing on Charles Barkley for Terry mings and Willie Anderson in 1991, they can survive Scola and Splitter for nothing.
Thank you... I can't speak for chump but I've always felt aht the collective goal was that no one coming here wanting to discuss Scola would find it an enjoyable experience and leave with their thread unurinated upon...I sometimes wonder how successful it was, but every once in a while someone like Tmac
Instant fail the second you include Scola with names like Charles Bakrley and Terry mings...even pre no-knees Willie Anderson. Not even close...If the Spurs can survive after passing on Charles Barkley for Terry mings and Willie Anderson in 1991, they can survive Scola and Splitter for nothing.
You are pushing the limits of reality if you even include Scola's name in the same sentence with Leandro Barbosa.
Read what you quoted again. If the Spurs can pass on Charles Barkley and survive, they can certainly survive by giving up Scola and Splitter.
Meaning Barkley >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scola + Splitter
That's like saying if you can survive getting shot in the head you can survive taking a piss.
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