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I think after the Bejing disaster, the Spurs won't talk contract again with Manu until 2010, and since that's when the WCs are, they may not talk at all if he decides to play NT ball again.i think Manu will play the world cup in Turkey though...
No commercial contract will obligate the employee to become a SLAVE of the employer....
Manu is on VACATION, and in any employment you have, you can do in vacation whatever you want. BTW, an insurance is signed before going to olympics that would cover the missing labor days, if they happen.
Besides, you complain so much about Manu as is it your money, when the truth is that the owners of the money got a real bargain for what they paid for.
Manu DIDN'T BREAK ANY CLAUSE in the contract, and delivered far more VALUE than what he was paid (if you compare how many overpaid players are in the league or how is the average performance of players with a similar salary than him).....
....and adding to pure performance and at ude, clutch plays, team chemistry and a lot of other intangibles, he's also the most SPECTACULAR player of a team that was considered 'boring' among NBA fans (Magic and Barkley defining him as the most EXCITING international player to watch)....
Another value provided? Manu is very POPULAR, and has a very strong presence on the US latin community (read latin MARKET), that also delivers value to the people who pay him the bills....
So, THINK better when you complain about the money being paid to Manu, instead of posting STUPID comments.
Last edited by Dartherus; 08-23-2008 at 12:12 PM.
I think after the Bejing disaster, the Spurs won't talk contract again with Manu until 2010, and since that's when the WCs are, they may not talk at all if he decides to play NT ball again.i think Manu will play the world cup in Turkey though...
Yeah if decides stupidly to play in that, the Spurs will tell him, fine let the country of Argentina pay you freaking 9 million a year.
Omg so Manu would be a "slave" to the Spurs if they told him not to play in the exhibitions?
Now I've seen everything
Spurs shouldn't sign Manu unless it's cheap. The guy makes decision that hurt the team that pays him so screw him. Spurs wouldn't have let him lay on a bad ankle in a le game like the asshole Argentine coaches did in the World championships so let him and the ankle he's ed up for Team Argentina sign for $5 with Bahia Blanca.
Could you ELLABORATE a worthy answer instead of a silly attempt to make a joke?
Omg so Manu would be a "slave" to the Spurs if they told him not to play in the exhibitions?
Now I've seen everything
My point was that NO WORKER, IN ANY AREA can be told what to do on VACATION....slavery times are far behind when employer was able to decide for the employee.
Spurs can suggest him not to play, perfect, but NOTHING ELSE...that's the point of that paragraph and the use of the slavery analogy....any interpretation beyond that is yours not mine.
BTW, what about the rest of the points I made? Did anyone find the contract clause manu broke? Do you still think he delivered less that what he's paid? Do Zach Randoplh provides more value compared with his earnings, because he won't play tournaments on vacations?
I have said this before and I will say it again...there is a fine line between patriotism and selfishness. The tone of your post really gives the impression that Manu shouldn't give a damn about us at all. <<
Judging by all the comments people have made these past few months about him, I would have to conclude that if you think Manu doesn't care about Spurs fans, then the feeling is mutual. So many people here view him as property and not a person. The general sentiment seems to be, "His body is used up, so he can take a long walk off a short pier."
I have no idea how any of it will work out, but one thing I'm positive about is that Manu shouldn't feel guilty about anything. He signed a 6 year, 55M contract, or something close to that, right? I think he's already given the Spurs 55M worth of NBA production, even with two years left. Only fools would argue otherwise.
He was asked to not play, and he played.
But whatever, use the weak "hes on vacation" bull arguement.
I really want Manu out of SA,hopefully the cheap ass SA FO wont be willing to pay him what he wants and He can walk away to help another NBA franchise win a championship.
SA US fans don't deserve a guy like Ginobili,you guys deserve a team like the LA Clippers in your town,and there´s where you´re heading to,with the last 3 yrs FO desitions.
Good luck(I´ll need it)
Some fans don't deserve a player like Ginobili.
San Antonio is a small market, Manu sign a contract knowing that SA is the best place to win a Championship (not the best market to make money), he's coming off the bench and help to win 3 rings in 7 years, all for the same price. All for the team.
But, if Money is all that matters:
-he should play for Panathinaikos instread Bologna
-he should play for Denver instread San Antonio
-he should play the Euroligue (Euros) instread the NBA (Dollars)
His work is the NBA but his spirit is the National Team ...Injuries can happen (you like it or not, playing or not, resting or not, in the NBA, the olymplics, etc)
Loyalty and money are not the same thing for Manu Ginobili. That's why San Antonio´s small market will never be THAT lucky again with a steal in the 57Th pick for less money. Never.
Last edited by Cherry; 08-23-2008 at 03:23 PM.
ArgSpursBan is back?
I don't know if he's the same
You're an idiot. Stop making these B.S. assertions. You know how many NBA teams probably want Manu Ginobili with a chonric injury at 10+ million dollars a year? 0, including the Spurs. They didn't really want him playing in the olympics to begin with and now that he may need surgery it's even worse. Players sitting in street clothes behind the bench aren't worth a dime so get that B.S. out of your head. Spurs will have patience with Ginobili because of what he's done for the team (and rightfully so) but he's still a paid employee, so don't think he's immune to everything or that he's more important than Tim Duncan, because that's what it sounds like you're saying.
Talk about delusions grandeur... and stop making new account names.
I'll stand outside the name calling, but just remember:
Manu DIDN'T BREAK ANY CLAUSE of the contract he signed. He was free to do whatever he wants while ON VACATION.
NBA seasons of 82 games, plus playoff are more likely to produce injury than international tournaments, and examples are everywhere you see. As some other poster said somewhere, Grant Hill doesn´t play FIBA tournaments and he´s chronically injured.
Manu provided back to the Spurs, FAR ABOVE of what a player with his salary provides to their teams in NBA....in any way you want to see it, performance, clutch playing, at ude, latin market popularity, spectacular plays in a team labeled as 'boring'......
Why then fans are complaining? No legal issues, return of investment.....if you complain about Manu, what should fans say about contracts given to players like Marbury, Brian Grant, Rashard Lewis?
Again, he didn't disrispect the legal contract, he provided FAR more value than what is the NBA performance for that salary.....¿what is your problem with him then? care to ellaborate?
Will you be able to present RATIONAL ARGUMENTS instead of foolish name calling or other distractions?
Exactly what I was thinking.
SJax > Manu. Always.
name one team the last decade that won a le that paid a big tax
Your reasoning is so incredibly flawed.
He chooses to use himself up by playing in the games on an ankle that was not healed...and by hurting it again without even really doing anything overly traumatic towards it I have to assume that he knew it wasn't 100% and played anyway. The general sentiment is that even if he was limping around it still wasn't going to stop him from playing. He let his passion override his reason and chose to risk his health...and you are saying Spurs fans have no right to be pissed about this? And I hate to break the news to you, but the reality of it is that being the best person in the world matters little if you can't step out on the court and produce. If he cannot someone should be brought in who can. You can have a coworker that has a great personality and will give you the shirt off their back if you ask him too...but if that person can't do the work, then they will get fired...and that company will find someone who can do the work to replace them.
And what is with this "he has already given them 55 million worth of production" crap? I think that is the stupidest I have ever heard. He is on the books for 2 more years and over 20 million dollars. He hasn't fulfilled anything, because he is still going to be eating up that much of our cap space over the next 2 years and he is probably going to be sitting on the bench for most of this year. You can't say that just because he arguably gives more effort than any other player, that he only needs to provide 4 years of his 6 year commitment and still get a 20+ million dollar payday. YOU would have to be a fool to argue otherwise.
Last edited by benefactor; 08-23-2008 at 05:40 PM.
ArgSpursFan.. are you related to ArgSpursFan. poster
He's the one and only.
and its not the first time! he did the exact same thing only months ago during the entire playoffs, the selfish bas .
Exactly, who needs an MRI or a doctor to determine what his injury is. Its obvious that he was hurt before, during and after the olympics, and the fact that he played the entire playoffs and the olympics injured shows what a selfish, self-centered, spurs hating SOB he really is. if he really cared about the spurs fans, he would protect his health and retire already so no one here would have to worry about him.
Exactly, like that Duncan guy, he's already had knee surgery and cost us a ship because of it, and if it werent for Nazr Mohammed and Rasho Nesterovic, his plantar fascitis would have cost us a ship in 05 as well. If he misses another 10 games this season with his knee problems, we'll need to replace his old ass. The same with Parker, he is only 26 and has already had several injury problems and missed games. The next spurs player to miss games because of injury should be fired immediately, and if they arent, spurs talk posters should create threads with lopsided trade ideas and aimless ing to compensate for their continued employment.
Because everyone knows, the only team in the entire history of the NBA to have injury problems affect them and their cap situations is the san antonio spurs. its completely unfair how other teams never have to deal with this. While we're at it, we should fire pop, RC, and the entire coaching staff for not predicting when an injury will occur, and how much a player will produce. a minimum turnaround of 2ppg or 2reb per $1Million salary should be set. Its absolutely inexcusable that a small market team, over the cap, doesnt win the championship every year. Its not like there is any compe ion or luck involved.
Very well said.
Manu is the CHEAPEST superstar in the NBA,the guy is one of the top 15 players in the league,the second best SG just half a step behind Kobe,and He doesn´t refuse to be used as a bench player,+ He´s clutch,team player and a great Human being.
If you guys in SA think you´ll ever get some one even close to Manu Ginobili again in franshise History,you´re all ing morons.
Please,let him go if He´s so much of a pain in the ass for playing with the Arg.NT. and bring onboard some one like Melo to SA. That´s exactly the tipe of person you all need down there.
I agree and that is why I love Ginobili...
I dont think it's our decision to make and certainly NOT yours so stop making foolish suggestions like getting Melo or some other . Stop in!
**When healthy. Only applicable to the first 25 minutes of play. And does not apply to a team that has to rely on him to get a birth in the playoffs.
San Antonio without Manu = No ring.
Manu in any other team = Playoff spot secured.
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