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My feeling is that this injury would've happened anyways. Even if he stayed in SA and not played in the Olympics.
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This is the silver lining to the situation. Manu will work hard to recover and be back ready to go. Don't doubt him.
My feeling is that this injury would've happened anyways. Even if he stayed in SA and not played in the Olympics.
We'll consider your our own personal mole inside the doctor's office. Next time, perhaps you can probe those quacks for some more detailed information.
Hope your rehab goes well. Get well soon!
I tend to look at it that way too. This injury was obviously not going to heal simply by resting the ankle. It could very well be a "blessing in disguise" that he injured it now. Better now that in Nov or Dec.
Probably needed surgery anyway to make the ankle near 100%. Without it Manu would likely broken down again during next season. If not for the Olympics the operation would have been done in June. The real question is how compe ive can we be until Manu returns? I think we will be lucky to play 50/50.
Manu, Get well soon!!!!
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my take... Pop will play EXTRA conservative and if we're doign good on the standings he'll unleash him for either the Rodeo Trip or After the All Star Game...
Despite all evidence to the contrary, which is that the surgery is taking place because the MRI is unchanged. If the MRI was unchanged earlier this summer, he would have had the surgery earlier this summer. The injury itself had nothing to do with it.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you our new ambassador to Argentina: Aggie!
I've had both - but my ankle surgery involved a severed ligament, which is much worse than what Manu will have to deal with. Once my incision had healed, which took 6 weeks, and my physical therapy was finished, which took another 4 weeks, my repaired ligament was actually much stronger than my other ankle. It is to this day much stronger.
Arthroscopic surgery is far less invasive and his ligament is just aggravated, not torn or severed, so he will do just fine. He's got the best doctors, the best trainers, and the best therapists - far better than I had. He's also in much better physical condition than I was, for sure!
I'm not worried about him at all.
I don't know if I can wait that long to see Manu play... But hopefully Mason and Udoka takes all his minutes, and Hill gets a little bit, as well as some of JV's minutes. The worst thing imo is to see Finley start for more than five games whilst Manu is out. But then again, we all thought that Horry woulld be able to stop that one Phoenix player in the 1st round...
ahh man
Will his repaired ligament end up stronger than the other one like yours? Or does that only occur when it was torn to start?
Your ligament was actually severed?! Wow-- sounds painful. Congrats on the full recovery.
Have you been keeping up on Shaun Livingston's comeback? I've read he's able to dunk again and plays one-on-one, but not full contact 5-on-5 yet. It would be an amazing story if he makes it back.
http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/ba...ory?id=3560956
No early timetable for Ginobili return
By Stephania Bell
August 30, 2008, 3:14 PM
The San Antonio Spurs announced on their official Web site Friday that Manu Ginobili will undergo surgery to correct a posterior impingement of his left ankle. He is expected to have the surgery next week, and his timetable to return will be announced by the team afterward.
Guy Lake
The injury to Ginobili is not a new one. He originally injured his ankle during the Spurs-Suns series in the 2008 NBA playoffs. The ankle bothered him for what was left of the season and also hampered his effectiveness. Ginobili underwent a trial of conservative rehabilitation that included an injection into the painful area, immobilization of the ankle in a walking boot and structured activity designed to regain strength to support the ankle. It was no secret that there was concern on the part of the Spurs regarding Ginobili's decision to play in the Olympics, given the recent problems with his ankle. However, Ginobili was determined to represent his native Argentina if his ankle was no worse, and he did so with great pride, even carrying his country's flag in the opening ceremonies.
But the residual effects of the original ankle injury made themselves known during Ginobili's efforts in the semifinal game between Argentina and, of all teams, the United States. In the first quarter, Ginobili appeared to aggravate the injury as he rolled out on a play. The play was fairly unremarkable in that there was no hard contact and it did not result from an awkward landing -- suggesting that Ginobili's setback was perhaps inevitable, a result of instability still present in the ankle.
Ginobili explained his decision to undergo surgery to Argentina's La Nacion newspaper Friday. "It's the same as it was two months ago, when they did the first [MRI] exam," Ginobili said. "It's not worse, which is important. Now, the thing is, it's not better either, and it seems like the only way to repair it completely is arthroscopic surgery."
So what is a "posterior ankle impingement" and what is reasonable to expect from Ginobili afterward? Posterior impingement is actually a condition in which the name pretty well explains the problem. The impingement, or "pinching," results from injury to the soft and bony tissue in the posterior ankle region. Compression of the soft tissue in the posterior (back) of the ankle occurs during repeated plantar flexion, or pointing of the foot (which happens during pushing off, running and jumping), as the soft tissue gets pinched between the two bones that form the joint surfaces. This repeated pinching can lead to pain, inflammation and thickening of any of the associated tissues. Impingement can occur for a variety of reasons, including ankle instability resulting from prior sprains, which cause excessive motion within the joint and place strain on nearby tissues.
The timetable for return ultimately depends on exactly what transpires during surgery. That's why the Spurs are likely reserving a timetable announcement until surgery is complete. Various reports have Ginobili missing six to eight weeks, which is a reasonable timeframe, assuming surgery and rehabilitation proceed without incident. The timetable will be dependent upon how quickly he recovers his range of motion and then progresses through activity that will return him to readiness to play. Keeping in mind that Ginobili's explosiveness and power had been limited for some time by the condition, it might take additional time, once he is back on the court, for him to return to pre-injury form.
ESPN, where fantasy basketball writers are better than the ones called "experts".
I'm no doctor, but it sounds like the repair is going to be on the parts causing the impingement, not on the ligament. Once it no longer gets pinched when he extends his foot, the ligament just needs to heal, which I know from experience can take a long time depending on the severity.
EDIT of above: Upon further research it looks like the ligment itself may need to be debrided, which is when the extra tissue is shaved away, allowing it to heal.
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Short term solution. Surgery was on the cards. I wonder if some fully undertsand the risks Manu was taking to play in the Olympics.
Poeple saying this injury was waiting to happen no matter where are ignoring the fact that it could of gotten worse by playing in the olympics. Luckily it was still the same. There was zero chance of making it worse if he had been resting. Going by unchanged MRI surgey was bound to happen.After I arrived they immediately did an MRI on my left ankle, more than anything to check how the ligament looked, if it was bigger or smaller than last time we checked or if it was damaged. Basically, the studies indicated that it’s just like it was two months ago when I got the first MRI. It is not worse which is important. Now the thing is it is not better either, and it looks that the only way for a total recovery is to undergo arthroscopic surgery.
Im a spurs fans first but a big Manu fan as well. No way do i want to turn this into a Manu is selfish thread because he's not even close to it. IF anything it shows how much courage and determination this guy posseses. What he was willing to put at stake for his country . They are great traits of a great person.
The church of manu grows worse.
My perspective was this. Keeping in mind he had already given 10 years of service to his NT. With the injury he was carrying, Is 3weeks worth the risk when we could have a healthy Manu for years to come. To finish his career as a Spur going out on his own terms instead of having it curtailed by injury. It was no-brainer for me. The last thing i wanted to see was a gimpy Manu finishing out his career a s of his former self . Wouldn't true Manu fans have wanted this as well.
Im just gratefull that the injury wasn't worse and it wont go down that path.
the Surgery will be done tomorrow...
http://www.ole.clarin.com/notas/2008.../01751226.html
Thanks.
I will cross my fingers tomorrow. Hopefully, Spurs won't wait to long before releasing the recovery timetable.
Sounds like best case scenario is December return. But could be even later depending on what is found during surgery.
Athletes are incurable optimists, always believing that their superb bodies will never fail them in any meaningful way.
If they had any other at ude they wouldn't be able to play at a high level because they'd be afraid of injuries all the time.
Blaming Manu for this at ude is like blaming an animal for following its primal nature.
That's the stupidest comment I've read all week.
They aren't brain dead without the ability to rationalize, wise guy. Use your common sense and don't do stupid .
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