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You forgot to post this part:
While it appears Kissinger and Senator Barack Obama disagree on what level those talks should occur, they do agree talks should begin, in Kissinger's words, “at a very high level” and without preconditions.
During the debate, McCain said that Kissinger would not endorse Obama's position that he would meet on a presidential level with leaders of enemy countries. "I guarantee you he would not say that," McCain said of Kissinger.
Obama took issue with McCain's characterization of the former top diplomat's position, but just last week Kissinger said that, while he broadly agrees on the need to negotiate with Iran, he "preferred doing it at the secretary of state level."
When asked if high level talks with Iran should begin right out of the box, Kissinger replied "Initially, yes."
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Can't wait for the VP debate.
Saying Tpark is a Cristian is like putting lipstick on a pig.
Dam I came in here to talk politics and it smells like burnt bacon and pork skins! Did Tpark get his ass fried again?
No, we discussed and it's not relevant to the specific lie Obama is accused of making. In fact, the Kissinger statement I posted this morning specifically refutes Obamas claim that Kissinger agreed with his earlier campaign promise that he, as President, would meet with Ahmadinejad, without preconditions.
That was a lie. Kissinger made no such statement.
And, S y, what were McCain's "20" lies?
Well here's something. It's not a bald-faced lie, but it is being intellectually dishonest.
McCain stated that Obama "voted..to increase taxes on people who make as little as $42,000 a year..."
A TV spot claims Obama once voted for a tax increase "on people making just $42,000 a year." That's true for a single taxpayer, who would have seen a tax increase of $15 for the year[...]A family of four with income up to $90,000 would not have been affected.
So it's not a lie. But it's a sensationalist answer.
No, Kissinger is just issuing a lifeline to McCain on this one.
No, and you can't come up with anything, other than Obama's lie last night, where Kissinger said -- or it is claimed he said -- he supports Obama's plan to, as President of the United States, sit down with our enemies...without conditions.
Do I need to go find the Obama quote where he said it, was asked if he meant that as President he would do that, and he said, yes?
Kissinger wants McCain to win and is willing to amend his previous position to support his friend. It's as simple as that. Obama didn't distort his previous comment about talking to Iran.
Show me where Kissinger agrees that the President of the United States should meet with our enemies without preconditions? When did Kissinger say that?
Show me where Obama claimed Kissinger said there should be meetings between the President of the US and Ahmadinejad without preconditions.
Did he, or did he not say that in response to McCain's revelation that he'd do just that?
Didn't he pull the, "Well, Henry Kissinger agrees with me," card? Weren't you watching with the rest of us?
Did he ever say Kissinger said it? You're dodging the question. In fact, after McCain said, "Dr. Kissinger has NEVER said there should be meetings without precondition between the president of the united states and ahmadinejad" you can hear Obama say, "of course not". What did he agree with him about?
Kissinger says we should talk to Iran. Obama agrees.
In any event, a big smile crossed my face when McCain said he's been friends with a war criminal for 35 years. I wouldn't brag about that.
Ah, but Obama used Kissinger as cover in a response to McCain calling him out on his campaign rhetoric that he would meet with Ahmadenijad, without conditions.
It's either a lie or a misdirection (fancy name for a lie)
McCain called him out and he says that Kissinger agrees we should meet with Iran in an attempt to make it look like Kissinger agrees with what he said earlier in the campaign.
It's a lie.
Bill Ayers is a self-avowed, unrepetent terrorist who wanted -- and regrets not doing more -- to kill Americans. That bothers me more than your not-widely held belief that Kissinger is a war criminal.
Have fun with that.
you are such a hypocrite. It's not a lie. At worst he was using "Kissinger agrees with me" to reinforce his point that meetings with Iran should take place at any level.
That's pretty hypocritical. And my name is hypocriteafarian!!!
In response to a specific criticism that, during his campaign, he has said that he, personally, would meet with our enemies, without preconditions, as President of the United States.
Yeah, it's a lie.
Not if he was using "Kissinger agrees with me" to reference preconditions, which I think he was.
Think what you want... Here's what I think; most people watching think he was invoking Kissinger's agreement in hopes that it would validate his preposterous position that the President of the United States should sit down with our enemies without preconditions.
Kissinger must have felt that way or he would not have clarified it this morning.
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