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    Think what you want... Here's what I think; most people watching think he was invoking Kissingers agreement in hopes that it would validate his preposterous position that the President of the United States should sit down with our enemies without preconditions.

    Kissinger must have felt that way or he would have clarified it this morning.
    Doesn't matter what we think in the end. We know who we're voting for. But it wasn't a lie.

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    I like the way Manny responded back to mouse very unbiased of him.

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    Bill Ayers is a self-avowed, unrepetent terrorist who wanted -- and regrets not doing more -- to kill Americans. That bothers me more than your not-widely held belief that Kissinger is a war criminal.

    Have fun with that.
    Bill Ayers once belonged to the Weathermen, a group that blew up a bunch of empty buildings. Good luck finding a quote from Obama where he expressed support for that. Henry Kissinger is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent civilians. Nobody outside of knuckledragging re s thinks Kissinger is an honorable and decent man or innocent of war crimes. There's a reason why he can't leave the country.

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    Bill Ayers once belonged to the Weathermen, a group that blew up a bunch of empty buildings. Good luck finding a quote from Obama where he expressed support for that. Henry Kissinger is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent civilians. Nobody outside of knuckledragging re s thinks Kissinger is an honorable and decent man or innocent of war crimes. There's a reason why he can't leave the country.
    I think you just called Barak Obama a knuckledragging re .

    Like I said, Ayers -- in 2002 I believe -- expressed regret he didn't do more in his terrorist days.



    Bill Ayers once belonged to the Weathermen, a group that blew up a bunch of empty buildings.
    Uh, not exactly...


    One of the forgotten victims of the Bill Ayers and Benardine Dorhn, Brain V. McDonnell, murdered policemen by the Weather Underground.


    October 20, 1981 - Brinks robbery in which several members of the Weather Underground stole over $1 million from a Brinks armored car near Nyack, New York. The robbers murdered 2 police officers and 1 Brinks guard. Several others were wounded.

    1981 "Guilty as hel*. Free as a bird. America is a great country," Ayers said when interviewed by David Horowitz.

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    I have to give it up to Yonni he has made a huge comeback. If only he was a Democrat.

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    I think you just called Barak Obama a knuckledragging re .
    No, he was making the point that even a hardline hawk like Kissinger supports diplomacy with Iran.






    One of the forgotten victims of the Bill Ayers and Benardine Dorhn, Brain V. McDonnell, murdered policemen by the Weather Underground.


    October 20, 1981 - Brinks robbery in which several members of the Weather Underground stole over $1 million from a Brinks armored car near Nyack, New York. The robbers murdered 2 police officers and 1 Brinks guard. Several others were wounded.
    What does any of that have to do with Barack Obama? Seriously? The two served together on the Woods Fund Board from 1999 until Obama left in 2002. Ayers had other contact with Obama as a resident of Chicago's Hyde Park neighborhood, hosting a meet-and-greet at his house to introduce Obama to his neighbors during Obama's first Illinois state Senate campaign in 1995, appearing on education panels together, and donating $200 to Obama's campaign in April 2001.

    And guess what? I don't care about ANY OF THAT. Meanwhile, John McCain last night told an audience of 57 million Americans that he is a very dear friend of a war criminal responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent civilians.

    This election is too important to get mired down in stupid bull . If I thought McCain was right on the issues, I wouldn't hold his 35 year friendship with Kissinger against him. So I don't care that Barack Obama and Bill Ayers have crossed paths.

    You guys are just pathetically grasping at straws.

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    No, he was making the point that even a hardline hawk like Kissinger supports diplomacy with Iran.

    What does any of that have to do with Barack Obama? Seriously? The two served together on the Woods Fund Board from 1999 until Obama left in 2002. Ayers had other contact with Obama as a resident of Chicago's Hyde Park neighborhood, hosting a meet-and-greet at his house to introduce Obama to his neighbors during Obama's first Illinois state Senate campaign in 1995, appearing on education panels together, and donating $200 to Obama's campaign in April 2001.

    And guess what? I don't care about ANY OF THAT. Meanwhile, John McCain last night told an audience of 57 million Americans that he is a very dear friend of a war criminal responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent civilians.

    This election is too important to get mired down in stupid bull . If I thought McCain was right on the issues, I wouldn't hold his 35 year friendship with Kissinger against him. So I don't care that Barack Obama and Bill Ayers have crossed paths.

    You guys are just pathetically grasping at straws.
    Ah, but that Ayers were the only Obama crony of questionable repute. Seems his past is full of radicals...distant and not so distant past.

    Sorry, guilty by association.

    So, give me a the name of a reputable associate of Obama's from his history...

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    Sorry, guilty by association.
    Guilty of what?

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    Another Weatherman terrorist a player in Obama campaign
    Communists, socialists, anarchists also part of political organization
    Posted: September 26, 2008
    1:00 am Eastern

    By Aaron Klein
    © 2008 WorldNetDaily


    Former Weathermen member Mark Rudd JERUSALEM – One of the main founders of the Weathermen terrorist organization is a signatory to an independent organization acting to ensure the election of Sen. Barack Obama, WND has learned.
    The group in question, Progressives for Obama, also includes among its ranks many former members of the 1960s radical organization Students for a Democratic Society, from which the Weathermen splintered, as well as current and former members of other radical organizations, such as the Communist Party USA and the Black Radical Congress.
    In its creed, first published in March in the Nation magazine, the Progressives for Obama founders state their organization descended from the "proud tradition of independent social movements that have made America a more just and democratic country."
    Progressives for Obama stated it can help the Illinois senator's ascent to highest office by contributing funds, using the Internet to reach "millions of swing voters;" defending Obama against negative attacks and making its agenda known at the Democratic National Convention.
    "Progressives can make a difference in close primary races like Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Oregon and Puerto Rico, and in the November general election," the founders state.

    Story continues

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.p...w&pageId=76234

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    Wow!

    A signatory to an independent organization!

    The October surprise came early!

    It's all over!

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    Ah, but that Ayers were the only Obama crony of questionable repute. Seems his past is full of radicals...distant and not so distant past.

    Sorry, guilty by association.

    So, give me a the name of a reputable associate of Obama's from his history...
    Oh yeah, Rezko hooked him up with a below market rate on a house. What does that have to do with Iraq, health care, the bailout, climate change, etc?

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    He's a scary, sinister Manchurian Negro!

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    say what?

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    Kissinger says we should talk to Iran. Obama agrees.
    You and Yoni are gettin wrapped around the axel...and for no good reason.

    The truth:

    Kissinger said that secretary-level meetings should occur between the US and Iran without pre-condition.

    Obama used this fact to state that one of McCain's supporters suggested there should be talks without pre-condition. He never said that Kissinger was suggesting a President should meet without pre-condition.

    However, Obama using it as a correlation with his position is intentionally misleading, because...

    Obama stated in the YouTube debate that he, as President of the United States, would meet with the leaders of Iran, NK, and Venezuela without pre-condition.

    He also did not state at the time that there would need to be "preparations", such as previous meetings with lower-level staff.

    Bottom Line: It's a moot point. Kissinger said what he said, but it lended no credence to Obama's original statement that he would meet with other Presidents without pre-condition.

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    Guilty of teabagging you?

    Can't argue with that. You seem to be the type that would be into it.

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    You and Yoni are gettin wrapped around the axel...and for no good reason.

    The truth:

    Kissinger said that secretary-level meetings should occur between the US and Iran without pre-condition.

    Obama used this fact to state that one of McCain's supporters suggested there should be talks without pre-condition. He never said that Kissinger was suggesting a President should meet without pre-condition.

    However, Obama using it as a correlation with his position is intentionally misleading, because...

    Obama stated in the YouTube debate that he, as President of the United States, would meet with the leaders of Iran, NK, and Venezuela without pre-condition.

    He also did not state at the time that there would need to be "preparations", such as previous meetings with lower-level staff.

    Bottom Line: It's a moot point. Kissinger said what he said, but it lended no credence to Obama's original statement that he would meet with other Presidents without pre-condition.
    that's fair. is it wrong to meet with dictators? Does that confer moral legitimacy on them? Shouldn't we try to resolve things with diplomacy first?

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    Still waiting for your snappy come back about Hussein's radical connections.

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    Still waiting for your snappy come back about Hussein's radical connections.
    Still waiting for someone to tell me what any of it means.

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    Still waiting for someone to tell me what any of it means.
    Manchurian Negro!

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    Manchurian Negro!
    Denzel?

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    No, the Manchurian candidate was a POW in Asia.

    Wait a second....

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    that's fair. is it wrong to meet with dictators? Does that confer moral legitimacy on them? Shouldn't we try to resolve things with diplomacy first?
    I think the "moral legitimacy" thing is a non-argument. We negotiate with China despite clear human rights violations because we have common interest.

    I know the silent treatment isn't working, but I don't know that the President meeting with the leaders of those countries (essentially the polar opposite) is the right message either. To be viewed as "extending a hand" to brutal dictators is a bit of a stretch.

    Still, if there's common interest I think an administration should be willing to swallow their "moral high standing" and engage in some form of diplomacy.

    But that's just my take.

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    No, the Manchurian candidate was a POW in Asia.

    Wait a second....

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    I think the "moral legitimacy" thing is a non-argument. We negotiate with China despite clear human rights violations because we have common interest.

    I know the silent treatment isn't working, but I don't know that the President meeting with the leaders of those countries (essentially the polar opposite) is the right message either. To be viewed as "extending a hand" to brutal dictators is a bit of a stretch.

    Still, if there's common interest I think an administration should be willing to swallow their "moral high standing" and engage in some form of diplomacy.

    But that's just my take.
    I respect your takes. I'm not sure, but I think I saw you post elsewhere that you're a McCain supporter, if I'm not mistaken. Kudos on being civil and being interested in a discussion instead of the usual back and forth without bickering or name calling.

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