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    Which is why Obama's talk rings hollow. The rich will still find ways to hide their money, and then the middle class will be on the hook for that tab and all of Obama's outrageous spending as well.

    Sounds like a great plan to me.



    Aggie needs to post more in here.

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    I thought it was an interesting debate. It lived up to my expectations.

    The smartest thing Biden did was attack McCain instead of Palin. The most dangerous thing he could have done for Obama's sake was get into a verbal confrontation with Palin and allow her and McCain by association to win sympathy points. In the last 30 or so years, Democrats have trailed far behind Republicans in as far as seeing the big picture and understand what the repercussions would be for different tactics. But finally it seems like they figured it out this time around.

    Biden used his experience to come across as much more prepared if he were to ascend to the presidency. I don't think anyone can deny that fact. However, I think he made a few mistakes along the way where he lost focus and started making this about himself instead of the Obama/Biden ticket. He obviously has a big ego and it is difficult for him to always keep things about the ticket instead of about himself. I also thought he got lulled into Palin's subject changing game and he'd be led off track by her ramblings and then he'd start rambling himself. The difference is when the two ramble is she still keeps you somewhat engaged, while he puts you to sleep.

    I was expecting Palin to fall flat on her face at least a couple times but I thought she actually stayed upright most of the time. Her avoidance of questions was laughable at times and I'm sure some of her answers are going to be torn to pieces once the "fact checkers" get a hold of the transcript. That said, I thought she was better than Biden in terms of realizing she is running with McCain and not just herself. In the middle of the debate, she had a good stretch where she had Biden struggling for words. Biden won the beginning and end of the debate but I thought Palin won a section there in the middle ... which is something I didn't think should could do.

    Using no expectations, Biden had to be the technical winner of the debate. But accounting for expectations, I thought Palin held her own. Most will criticize her for changing the topics and twisting the issues to talk about what she wanted to talk about, but that is a debate strategy that has been used as long as there have been debates. While it's probably true she'd do it because she didn't know the answers to the questions, her resume makes it obvious that she isn't going to know enough to out politic Biden. That just wasn't going to happen.

    If I had to guess, I'd say the results of the debate will either be neutral or a very slight bump for McCain. I find it hard to believe Biden won many votes, however his goal should have been to just not lose any votes and he very well could have done that.

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    Cause he can't speak.

    They aren't professional speakers and enunciate things differently.

    So if you say words perfectly that means your intelligent?
    So because he "can't speak" he magically says nuclear it the same way that an Alaskan would?

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    I'm still trying to find this word "nucular" Mrs. Palin kept bringing up. Can anyone help me out? What is "nucular"?

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    Geographical/population statistics = bashing?
    She runs an itty bitty state.


    So running a gigantic state = shoe in?

    Sorry I guess I'm naive that people that run a state with a large budget thats policies from themselves that have created a large surplus is good governing.

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    I'm still trying to find this word "nucular" Mrs. Palin kept bringing up. Can anyone help me out? What is "nucular"?
    If only she could speak "normal"

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    How about mentioning the size of their budget and what not?

    nah.
    Their ten billion dollar budget that according to websites recently just doubled, so in 2006 it was 5 billion.

    Do you know what San Antonio's budget is? 2 billion.

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    If only she could speak "normal"
    Um. If by normal you mean "correct" then yeah I agree. Or are you claiming her accent makes it impossible for her to pronounce a simple word?

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    Break down why you think that. Most people I know think he did great tonight - Republicans and Democrats alike.
    the same crap I've heard for years. for example, we're giving tax breaks to big corporations and everyone else is poor. Bush this, Bush that. Nothing new. I could have probably wrote his speech/debate notes myself. And the BS about deregulation causing the subprime mess ticked me off. Partisan politics as usual. Does the guy have an original thought?

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    There is no regional accent that changes "new-clee-ar" to "new-kew-lar." It's a mispronunciation.
    Little boys that grew up eating 100 jars of gerber food per hour and inherit business valued at over 250k a year don't have to learn things like that, CF.

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    So because he "can't speak" he magically says nuclear it the same way that an Alaskan would?



    Just because hes an idiot, doesn't mean you can take it out on Alaskans.

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    Little boys that grew up eating 100 jars of gerber food per hour and inherit business valued at over 250k a year don't have to learn things like that, CF.

    I didn't inherit anything but again, continue to assume and talk out of your ing asses.

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    what the is she thinking.... it'll be better, at the end of the day.. ok so we just lost five buildings... but at the end of the day, it will alllll get better... she must look at 9/11 as an opportunity for new jobs... UGH!

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    You truly are a head.
    It would be nice to read a topic in this forum without the word every time Tpark talks.

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    Um. If by normal you mean "correct" then yeah I agree. Or are you claiming her accent makes it impossible for her to pronounce a simple word?
    Her accent seems to make her pronounce things differently ala a southern accent changes how one says Oil.

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    If only she could speak "normal"
    Or pronounce one single goddamn word correctly.

    TPark, do you always take the littlest things and turn them into big shows of drama?

    Well, yes, yes you do.

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    Their ten billion dollar budget that according to websites recently just doubled, so in 2006 it was 5 billion.

    Do you know what San Antonio's budget is? 2 billion.

    YAY SAN ANTONIO!!!!

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    the same crap I've heard for years. for example, we're giving tax breaks to big corporations and everyone else is poor. Bush this, Bush that. Nothing new. I could have probably wrote his speech/debate notes myself. And the BS about deregulation causing the subprime mess ticked me off. Partisan politics as usual. Does the guy have an original thought?


    I think you need to step outside of yourself more when you watch like this. Ever stop to think he said what he said because that's what he thought would do his agenda best? Maybe he didn't think he had to be original to do good tonight. Maybe he thought if he kept an even keel and just kept bringing up Bush and staying more specific than her he would come out okay?

    You have to realize, Biden did not have to do tonight. It's not like Biden's performance was ever going to make or break Obama. Wake up.

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    Or pronounce one single goddamn word correctly.

    TPark, do you always take the littlest things and turn them into big shows of drama?

    Well, yes, yes you do.
    Yeah if only I could be a plagerist like you and Biden.

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    She runs an itty bitty state.


    So running a gigantic state = shoe in?
    No one here has suggested that.

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    It would be nice to read a topic in this forum without the word every time Tpark talks.
    Yay! Evil Twin is here!

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    Her accent seems to make her pronounce things differently ala a southern accent changes how one says Oil.
    No. you're wrong. Oil is a single syllable word. A southern draw can affect how you string out that syllable. NUCLEAR has a clear line of pronunciation. You're an idiot.

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    I think you need to step outside of yourself more when you watch like this. Ever stop to think he said what he said because that's what he thought would do his agenda best? Maybe he didn't think he had to be original to do good tonight. Maybe he thought if he kept an even keel and just kept bringing up Bush and staying more specific than her he would come out okay?

    You have to realize, Biden did not have to do tonight. It's not like Biden's performance was ever going to make or break Obama. Wake up.

    I understand what your saying, but I'd like for the guy to stand by what he stood for back in the primaries.

    He totally went back on that and has gone back on that time and time again, thats why I've lost respect for him.

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    I think you need to step outside of yourself more when you watch like this. Ever stop to think he said what he said because that's what he thought would do his agenda best? Maybe he didn't think he had to be original to do good tonight. Maybe he thought if he kept an even keel and just kept bringing up Bush and staying more specific than her he would come out okay?

    You have to realize, Biden did not have to do tonight. It's not like Biden's performance was ever going to make or break Obama. Wake up.
    on the political side, I guess he did what his team expected. From my perspective, he's a huge part of our problem.

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    the same crap I've heard for years. for example, we're giving tax breaks to big corporations and everyone else is poor. Bush this, Bush that. Nothing new. I could have probably wrote his speech/debate notes myself. And the BS about deregulation causing the subprime mess ticked me off. Partisan politics as usual. Does the guy have an original thought?
    I thought Biden's most brilliant rhetorical moment of the evening came when Palin tried to call him on looking backwards and Biden's response was about 30 seconds of examples of McCain's iden y of policy with Bush. It illustrated "McSame" but without using that term.

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