Palin Accuses Obama of 'Palling Around With Terrorists'

[Mr. Peabody]

October Surprise! Photographic evidence linking Obama and Ayers....!

[SnakeBoy]

This isn't about McCain's actions in the scandal. This is about what Charles Keating did. Since you guys like to take associations that far it's very relevant (according to you) that McCain and Keating were friends. I keep mentioning the Joe Coors things because he FINANCED terrorists in Nicaragua.

I think your missing the real point. McCain/Keating relationship is fully vetted. There's still alot of skepticism about Obama's past since much of it is a blank page. That's why the republicans will keep pressing these issues since it will affect voters by election day.

[Yonivore]

Stop beating around the bush. I asked you a very simple question. It doesn't matter if these people hung around Obama or if Obama hung around them.

Whichever way it is, Obama is guilty of what exactly?

You're comfortable with a President that has spent the vast majority of his life hanging around these type people? Having his opinions, judgements, and education informed by such socialist, communists, anti-American ideologies?

I think he's guilty of being one of them and is just trying to sweep it under the rug to get elected. Then, he'll begin to try and implement some of the socialist/communist drivel he's been immersed in for so long.

Why is he trying so hard to distance himself from Ayers if, in fact, there isn't some connection?

Two of the more blatant lies are that Obama was only 8 when Ayers was committing his crimes. Well, Obama was 8 when the Weathermen were founded by Ayers and Dohrn...he was 20 and a part of the socialist culture in college (Columbia or Occidental -- neither of which he'll talk much about) when some the Weathermen's last crimes were committed.

One of Obama's spokespeople tried to minimize their association by saying they merely lived in the same neighborhood and their children attended school together. Well, ooops...Ayers children are grown and Obama's children were in elementary school. What's up with that?

Hillary Clinton, God bless her, is the person that first brought up Ayers during the primaries. I think the media has been blatantly incurious about the association.

Clear enough for you?

[ChumpDumper]

Why is he trying so hard to distance himself from Ayers if, in fact, there isn't some connection?

Maybe he was accurate when he said he doesn't know him that well

Two of the more blatant lies are that Obama was only 8 when Ayers was committing his crimes. Well, Obama was 8 when the Weathermen were founded by Ayers and Dohrn...he was 20 and a part of the socialist culture in college (Columbia or Occidental -- neither of which he'll talk much about) when some the Weathermen's last crimes were committed.

How do you know he hasn't talked about his college years? You've read everything he has ever said or written?

"Socialist culture?" Seriously, you're being hilariously McCarthyite here. How do you know what culture he was in if he doesn't say anything about college?

One of Obama's spokespeople tried to minimize their association by saying they merely lived in the same neighborhood and their children attended school together. Well, ooops...Ayers children are grown and Obama's children were in elementary school. What's up with that?

It tells me that his spokesman doesn't know much about Ayers. Go figure.

Hillary Clinton, God bless her, is the person that first brought up Ayers during the primaries. I think the media has been blatantly incurious about the association.

Clear enough for you?

Yeah, it's clear there is nothing to this at all.

[Yonivore]

this is rich. He tried to get the man off for god's sake. That tells me he didn't exactly cut off friendship when the scandal broke.

Isn't that what the Ethics Committee cleared him of?

By rational people who see human rights violations as terrorism, yeah.

So, the Sandinistas and the Nicaraguan Guerrillas weren't involved in any Human Rights violations of their own?

At least you're honest about one thing.

Can you find contemporanous articles that called the Contras terrorists?

And that's why Obama has publicly denounced the acts.

After his association with Ayers was made public. I would like to see a denunciation of Ayers that took place before Obama was called on it. Obama has had to denounce about 5 of his former friends and associates now -- but, yet, there is no evidence he ever showed any discomfort while associating with these people. In fact, it seems he was quite at home with them.

[ChumpDumper]

I think your missing the real point. McCain/Keating relationship is fully vetted. There's still alot of skepticism about Obama's past since much of it is a blank page. That's why the republicans will keep pressing these issues since it will affect voters by election day.

Great job so far, Repuiblicans. Keep up the good work. Just do a little better and you'll put Obama over 60%

[Shastafarian]

So, the Sandinistas and the Nicaraguan Guerrillas weren't involved in any Human Rights violations of their own?

No, they were.

Can you find contemporanous articles that called the Contras terrorists?

In his April 15 address, President Reagan sought to cast doubt on my report (page A1, March 7) of atrocities by anti-Sandinista ''contras'' in Nicaragua by alleging I was ''shepherded through Nicaragua by Sandinista operatives'' (excerpts, April 16).

Each account of murder, brutality, rape and kidnapping in my report is based on the sworn affidavits of eyewitnesses who were selected and interviewed with no interference and whose names and addresses are listed.

Representatives of the Washington Office on Latin America, the International Human Rights Law Group and Americas Watch have independently confirmed the accuracy of these horrible accounts and do ented many others. Your March 7 article also verified four incidents chosen at random. The President cannot deny the systematic terror of these so-called ''freedom fighters.'' REED BRODY New York, April 17, 1985

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...57C0A963948260

[Yonivore]

No, they were.

So, you pick a side in a conflict that threatens to expand hostile communism into South America, and you support it.

The President cannot deny the systematic terror of these so-called ''freedom fighters.''

Well, apparently he could and he did.

I notice he didn't deny being shepherded through the country by Sandinistas.

Surely you're not going to claim there is as much disagreement over whether or not Ayers, Dohrn, and the Weathermen were terrorists as there was over whether or not not the Contras were terrorist or worth supporting?

If so, I do hope Obama tried that tactic as well.

[Shastafarian]

So, you pick a side in a conflict that threatens to expand hostile communism into South America, and you support it.

I'm not supporting anything. I brought up that the contras were terrorists because

a) they were
b) John McCain's friend supported them financially

Well, apparently he could and he did.

I notice he didn't deny being shepherded through the country by Sandinistas.

Surely you're not going to claim there is as much disagreement over whether or not Ayers, Dohrn, and the Weathermen were terrorists as there was over whether or not not the Contras were terrorist or worth supporting?

If so, I do hope Obama tried that tactic as well.

Wait...so you're saying that because the contras were fighting communism, their actions were justified? I think anyone who knows what really happened in Nicaragua would classify them as "terrorizing" people. I can't see a "disagreement" over that, no.

[Yonivore]

I'm not supporting anything. I brought up that the contras were terrorists because

a) they were
b) John McCain's friend supported them financially

See, your problem is that not everyone agrees with that characterization or that their cause was unjust...or even unworthy of U.S. Aid and Support. In fact, it is my understanding there were many factions of the Contras, not all of whom were supported by the U.S.

You're en led to your opinion, have at it; and, yes, there are people who agree with you. Oh well, it's one of those issues. Many people -- including me -- disagree with you.

Same can't be said about Ayers and the Weathermen. Good luck finding someone that doesn't think they were terrorists.

Wait...so you're saying that because the contras were fighting communism, their actions were justified? I think anyone who knows what really happened in Nicaragua would classify them as "terrorizing" people. I can't see a "disagreement" over that, no.

Yeah, well there was, and still is, disagreement over the necessity of our supporting the Contras. Deal.

So, was Ayers a terrorist or not?

[Shastafarian]

Same can't be said about Ayers and the Weathermen. Good luck finding someone that doesn't think they were terrorists.


Yeah, well there was, and still is, disagreement over the necessity of our supporting the Contras. Deal.

So, was Ayers a terrorist or not?

I'm not denying Ayers was a terrorist. I'm questioning people who want to bring him into this and their lack of focus on John McCain's friends.

[ElNono]

You're comfortable with a President that has spent the vast majority of his life hanging around these type people? Having his opinions, judgements, and education informed by such socialist, communists, anti-American ideologies?

I think he's guilty of being one of them and is just trying to sweep it under the rug to get elected. Then, he'll begin to try and implement some of the socialist/communist drivel he's been immersed in for so long.

Why is he trying so hard to distance himself from Ayers if, in fact, there isn't some connection?

Two of the more blatant lies are that Obama was only 8 when Ayers was committing his crimes. Well, Obama was 8 when the Weathermen were founded by Ayers and Dohrn...he was 20 and a part of the socialist culture in college (Columbia or Occidental -- neither of which he'll talk much about) when some the Weathermen's last crimes were committed.

One of Obama's spokespeople tried to minimize their association by saying they merely lived in the same neighborhood and their children attended school together. Well, ooops...Ayers children are grown and Obama's children were in elementary school. What's up with that?

Hillary Clinton, God bless her, is the person that first brought up Ayers during the primaries. I think the media has been blatantly incurious about the association.

Clear enough for you?

Yes, thanks. It completely clarifies what I thought: Obama is not guilty of anything.
You *think* that because he's been around that people he's one of them.
And BTW, there's nothing wrong with being a socialist. A good amount of our NATO allies have or recently had socialist goverments.

[Yonivore]

Yes, thanks. It completely clarifies what I thought: Obama is not guilty of anything.
You *think* that because he's been around that people he's one of them.
And BTW, there's nothing wrong with being a socialist. A good amount of our NATO allies have or recently had socialist goverments.

Well, I think there is something wrong with being the type of socialists Obama chooses to hang around with...and who he has hung around with his entire adult life.

And, sorry, I don't want a socialist president. Let him go somewhere else and run for office. I don't trust him. And, if such associations were okay, why is he constantly throwing past associates under the bus?

[Yonivore]

I'm not denying Ayers was a terrorist. I'm questioning people who want to bring him into this and their lack of focus on John McCain's friends.

Well, there's no comparison. But, really, knock yourself out trying.

[ChumpDumper]

So Obama has neither damned nor bombed America?

You guys are misleading.

[Shastafarian]

Well, there's no comparison. But, really, knock yourself out trying.

There is a comparison when the link to Ayers can't even be connected that well. You think if there was a strong link your Republican friends wouldn't have dug it up already?

[LakeShow]

October 5, 2008
Fact Check: Is Obama 'palling around with terrorists'?
Posted: 09:00 AM ET
Gov. Palin commented about Sen. Obama and William Ayers at a rally in Carson, California Saturday.



The Statement: Republican vice presidential candidate Gov. Sarah Palin said Saturday, October 4, that Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama is "someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect that he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country."
Watch: Is Obama a terrorist's pal?
Get the facts!

The Facts: In making the charge at a fund-raising event in Englewood, Colorado, and a rally in Carson, California, Palin was referring at least in part to William Ayers, a 1960s radical. In both appearances, Palin cited a front-page article in Saturday's New York Times detailing the working relationship between Obama and Ayers.

In the 1960s, Ayers was a founding member of the radical Weather Underground group that carried out a string of bombings of federal buildings, including the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol, in protest against the Vietnam War. The now-defunct group was labeled a "domestic terrorist group" by the FBI, and Ayers and his wife, Bernadine Dohrn — also a Weather Underground member — spent 10 years as fugitives in the 1970s. Federal charges against them were dropped due to FBI misconduct in gathering evidence against them, and they resurfaced in 1980. Both Ayers and Dohrn ultimately became university professors in Chicago, with Ayers, 63, now an education professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

Obama's Chicago home is in the same neighborhood where Ayers and Dohrn live. Beginning in 1995, Ayers and Obama worked with the non-profit Chicago Annenberg Challenge on a huge school improvement project. The Annenberg Challenge was for cities to compete for $50 million grants to improve public education. Ayers fought to bring the grant to Chicago, and Obama was recruited onto the board. Also from 1999 through 2001 both were board members on the Woods Fund, a charitable foundation that gave money to various causes, including the Trinity United Church that Obama attended and Northwestern University Law Schools' Children and Family Justice Center, where Dohrn worked.

CNN's review of project records found nothing to suggest anything inappropriate in the volunteer projects in which the two men were involved.

Obama campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt told CNN that after meeting Obama through the Annenberg project, Ayers hosted a campaign event for him that same year when then-Illinois state Sen. Alice Palmer, who planned to run for Congress, introduced the young community organizer as her chosen successor. LaBolt also said the two have not spoken by phone or exchanged e-mail messages since Obama came to the U.S. Senate in 2005 and last met more than a year ago when they encountered each other on the street in their Hyde Park neighborhood.

The extent of Obama's relationship with Ayers came up during the Democratic presidential primaries earlier this year, and Obama explained it by saying, "This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood … the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago — when I was 8 years old — somehow reflects on me and my values doesn't make much sense."

The McCain campaign did not respond Saturday to a request for elaboration on Palin's use of the plural "terrorists."

Verdict: False. There is no indication that Ayers and Obama are now "palling around," or that they have had an ongoing relationship in the past three years. Also, there is nothing to suggest that Ayers is now involved in terrorist activity or that other Obama associates are.

[Yonivore]

There is a comparison when the link to Ayers can't even be connected that well. You think if there was a strong link your Republican friends wouldn't have dug it up already?

Well, first of all they have.

Second of all, Obama has already lied about his association with Ayers. Why?

Third, they have served on several boards, panels, and groups together over the past decade -- or longer. They've attended the same college together at the same time. They've lived in the same neighborhoods, in New York and Chicago. Obama worked at the same law firm as Dohrn and Ayers father -- where he met Mic e.

Finally, that's what October surprises are for.

[ElNono]

Well, I think there is something wrong with being the type of socialists Obama chooses to hang around with...and who he has hung around with his entire adult life.

And, sorry, I don't want a socialist president. Let him go somewhere else and run for office. I don't trust him. And, if such associations were okay, why is he constantly throwing past associates under the bus?

So basically, you don't trust him and you don't like his ideology. Well, gee, we kinda knew that already.
As far as regretting associations, I don't think it's much different from McCain. Sometimes, after a while and in hindsight, you realize some decisions you made weren't the smartest ones. Happened with Keating, I don't see why this is any different.

[Yonivore]

So basically, you don't trust him and you don't like his ideology. Well, gee, we kinda knew that already.
As far as regretting associations, I don't think it's much different from McCain. Sometimes, after a while and in hindsight, you realize some decisions you made weren't the smartest ones. Happened with Keating, I don't see why this is any different.

And, Republicans are banking a whole bunch of people not liking who he associates with too. That's why it's an issue. And, if Obama didn't think it was a problem his campaign wouldn't be working overtime trying to distance him from Ayers.

And, as for it being different than Keating. It seems to be a pattern with Obama. And, also, he doesn't seem to have terminated any of these questionable associations on his own -- but, only after it threatened his political viability.

If it's proven that Obama had a close relationship with William Ayers, that began in the late 80's -- as early as 1987 -- do you think that would be a problem for Obama?

[ChumpDumper]

And, Republicans are banking a whole bunch of people not liking who he associates with too.

Not really working very well.

And, if Obama didn't think it was a problem his campaign wouldn't be working overtime trying to distance him from Ayers.

They answered a couple of questions. How long did that take?

And, as for it being different than Keating. It seems to be a pattern with Obama. And, also, he doesn't seem to have terminated any of these questionable associations on his own -- but, only after it threatened his political viability.

That's exactly when McCain terminated his association with Keating.

If it's proven that Obama had a close relationship with William Ayers, that began in the late 80's -- as early as 1987 -- do you think that would be a problem for Obama?

If it's proven he didn't, you'll just keep denying it.

[Wild Cobra]

He gets it from bloggers who haven't read either of his books.

Chump being Chump again...

He gets it from listening to multiple media sources like I do. Not just those that favor the left wing.

I have only read to his point, (2 day old post) so I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but there is now better evidence yet that Ayers and Obama were close. Talk radio has been showing various connections between the two for months. We have heard things that can only be drawn to conclusions that they were very close. I haven't heard the specifics, but I heard today, or yesterday, Ayers sopke about his connection. No, I have no link yet.

[Findog]

October Surprise! Photographic evidence linking Obama and Ayers....!

I knew that er was a member of the Weather Kids.

[Wild Cobra]

Okay, just for kicks CD;

1. Obama insists that he chooses his friends carefully.

2. These carefully chosen friends are a mixed bag of criminals, anti-American radicals, bigots, extortionists, etc.

3. Obama terminates these friendships, or disowns his carefully chosen friends, only after their radical views and records become public knowledge, and they are inextricably tied to him. His disdain may have come across as genuine if he had distanced himself from them before they were outed, but by waiting until afterwards it was transparent that the “going there separate ways” was merely a guise, done only for the sake of political expediency.

4. Obama’s tenured relationship with this group of malcontents (aka, his carefully chosen friends) is evidence of like-minded philosophy.

5.Obama’s judgment is skewed to the degree that he has no business being the next POTUS.

For those that think highly of Ayers, Rezco, Phlager and Wright, there’s no problem, vote for the man that is tied into their philosophy through a willing and carefully association with them.


Obviously people who like him should vote for him, but know who he is before voting for him <or don't>.

Good take.

If it was only one or two of the names, I wouldn't be so concerned. With so many immoral people he associated with, who knows how many others, or what he really believes.

It at the very least, shows he has too bad of judgemet to be pressidnt.

[Wild Cobra]

Jochhejaam, you forgot Obama's connection with ACORN:

Inside Obama's ACORN

They are again, actively commiting voter registration fraud to vote multiple times for Obama.