Presidential Debate #2 Blog

[timvp]

I didn't care for his meandering around direct questions. Now's the time for specifics, not to recite your stump speeches.

Fundamentally though, Obama knows what he's talking about and he isn't not answering questions because he lacks knowledge......it's purely political. Not saying I agree with that tactic, but it's a lot different from Palin who refuses to answer questions because she flat out does not know the answers and in many cases does not even understand the question.

Quality post. Tom Brady's best yet

[timvp]

I think that was part of his strategy, as you pointed out pretty well. I think he realizes that so far those points have worked well for him, so why go somewhere else? If there was somebody that needed to change tactics, it was McCain, and it didn't happen.

McCain changed tactics ... it just didn't work because Obama wouldn't let it work.

[MannyIsGod]

so, for those who disagree with my McCain-Bush comment, namely Timvp...
I know you've been on the fence until fairly recently.
When you were considering voting for McCain, did you think he actually had a chance to beat out Obama regardless of his comparison to Bush?

No matter who was nominated by the Dems, and no matter who was nominated by the GOP, the starts were in place. The dems were going to tie whoever it was to Bush. I mean look at the growth in the democratic party and look at the 06 elections.

I think most of the objective posters in here knew that no matter who the GOP nominated they were going to have a of time to even be compe ive in this environment.

[ElNono]

McCain changed tactics ... it just didn't work because Obama wouldn't let it work.

I think he went new areas here and there, like bringing up the mortgage buying plan, that sounded more like a desperate reach to see if he could clamp some independent voters here and there. But I'll say 80% of the answers where the same talking points he's been putting out for the last 4 months. I don't think he's making any strides against Obama, and that's exactly what he needs to do if he wants to have a chance.

[timvp]

why expose something you've got stuffed in your sleeve when you can save it for later?

If Palin should get bashed for not answering questions, why not Obama?

i don't think it was a specific question but was steered into "talking with our enemies" proposition.

That same steering was unacceptable last Thursday to many.

you obviously didn't hear the reporters interview of mccain when he suggested that, without sarcasm.

Even a senile McCain wouldn't actually think Spain is an enemy as in the U.S. needs to invade Spain.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

That's because you posted your opinion. What are we supposed to do? Get into a huge argument with you about how we both disagree? Then after 4 pages of trying to convince one another we wind up at square one. Sounds like a blast!

doesn't that jackassery happen in here already?
oh let me state differently. that jackassery happens in here already.


there.
end of discussion

[Shastafarian]

doesn't that jackassery happen in here already?
oh let me state differently. that jackassery happens in here already.

Yes and that's why I personally didn't want to delve into it. It's a time-wasting endeavor.

[clambake]

If Palin should get bashed for not answering questions, why not Obama?

by all means, bash him. it won't hold the same effect because of everyones underlying belief of his superior intelligence to that of palin.

That same steering was unacceptable last Thursday to many.

i'm sorry.

Even a senile McCain wouldn't actually think Spain is an enemy as in the U.S. needs to invade Spain.

what kind of enemy are they?

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[timvp]

Yes and that's why I personally didn't want to delve into it. It's a time-wasting endeavor.

As opposed to chasing around whottt in every thread and putting his quotes in your sig. That, by contrast, is extremely well worth the time.

[clambake]

As opposed to chasing around whottt in every thread and putting his quotes in your sig. That, by contrast, is extremely well worth the time.

you don't understand the creamy, carmel goodness of whotts meltdown?

[Shastafarian]

As opposed to chasing around whottt in every thread and putting his quotes in your sig. That, by contrast, is extremely well worth the time.

haha yeah it is worth it

[timvp]

by all means, bash him. it won't hold the same effect because of everyones underlying belief of his superior intelligence to that of palin.

i'm sorry.

I don't want to bash Obama. Just like I didn't bash Palin. Dodging questions and sticking to talking points has been around since the first two two humans debated. I'm just wondering if others will notice their own hypocrisy.

Apparently not.

what kind of enemy are they?

A Spanish enemy.

[timvp]

haha yeah it is worth it

Just admit you want to dodge the questions.

[SpursFanFirst]

No matter who was nominated by the Dems, and no matter who was nominated by the GOP, the starts were in place. The dems were going to tie whoever it was to Bush. I mean look at the growth in the democratic party and look at the 06 elections.

I think most of the objective posters in here knew that no matter who the GOP nominated they were going to have a of time to even be compe ive in this environment.

I agree that there would've been a battle no matter what, but I also think McCain had a fighting chance in the beginning. I think as time went on, he damaged his own campaign.

[Shastafarian]

Just admit you want to dodge the questions.

I'm not dodging anything. I just didn't see the value in having a lengthy debate on opinions. I tried it in the VP Debate Blog and got nowhere.

[timvp]

I'm not dodging anything. I just didn't see the value in having a lengthy debate on opinions. I tried it in the VP Debate Blog and got nowhere.

This was your fourth dodge. You could have saved time by simply addressing it the first time. You likely won't because you'd have to admit your own hypocrisy.


*cue dodge number five*

[clambake]

I don't want to bash Obama. Just like I didn't bash Palin. Dodging questions and sticking to talking points has been around since the first two two humans debated. I'm just wondering if others will notice their own hypocrisy.

Apparently not.

should of just one picked someone who could stick and jab. it's not my fault he picked someone that is so close to being the replacement. hypocracy gets a pass on something this important.

A Spanish enemy.

probably just one of many senior moments to come.

[Shastafarian]

This was your fourth dodge. You could have saved time by simply addressing it the first time. You likely won't because you'd have to admit your own hypocrisy.


*cue dodge number five*

Sorry I figured you'd wanna get into a lengthy debate on the issue. I didn't realize 4 posts of relatively short length would have been sufficient. I think Obama displayed more knowledge on the subjects of the questions. I don't remember an instance where I thought McCain just knew so much more about a topic. Obama's answers didn't seem hollow and misinformed. I didn't catch every question but the ones that I saw were adequately answered and Obama showed he had at least a basic knowledge. He said some things that were prepared, sure. Who doesn't? McCain did similar things. Palin is an idiot who showed no grasp of basic topics. Her prepared answers were her entire answers as opposed to Obama who used his talking points to go deeper into his policies.

There. Happy? Don't call me a hypocrite gobbler.

[CuckingFunt]

Probably so. But doesn't make the tactic any different.

But it makes my response to that tactic very different. Obama stuck to the speaking points because he wanted to, Palin did so because she HAD to.

[The Power Hour.]

Wow timvp pulling out the smack bat on Shastafarian's crusty ass is epic!

[baseline bum]

Highly doubtful. Regardless of candidates, the Democrats had at least a 75/25 chance of winning this election based solely on Bush's approval ratings and the economic mess.

Maybe even 80/20.

I think the Democrats having a black candidate running ensures 75/25 is a huge overestimation. I wouldn't call it close to 75/25 yet even with the way Obama is owning in the polls. I think a lot of people say they're voting for him, but at the last minute will find some way to rationalize not voting for a black man. McCain's going to have a huge comeback the last few days of this election, and I think it'll be pretty close on November 4th.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I agree timvp but only that he was palinesque....he wasn't nearly as vague as she nor did he use the talking points in so blatant a repe ive manner as she. But I don't care. He didn't have to get specific. Just dodge, mention bush, and keep your head up.

I really wish he hadn't bumbled his words on the wrong moments too, but like i asked earlier, did anyone else notice how he did a WAY better job talking in a normal cadence this debate? He did stumble and say some uhhhs but not nearly as much as before. Maybe he really can pass a 6th grade speech class.

[Shastafarian]

Wow timvp pulling out the smack bat on Shastafarian's crusty ass is epic!

My crusty ass? What smack bat are you referring to? When he didn't respond to me after I answered him?

I also think this is funny:

Actually you all should be after The Jews of this forum like yonnivore and Whottt for ing up our country and 9/11

Damn you're insightful!

[Cry Havoc]

If Palin should get bashed for not answering questions, why not Obama?

That same steering was unacceptable last Thursday to many.

Even a senile McCain wouldn't actually think Spain is an enemy as in the U.S. needs to invade Spain.

Agreed.

I didn't like how evasive Obama was in the debate. He was pulling punches all over the place. Given how ridiculously aggressive McCain has been, it's easy to understand why, but I had to laugh at the answer both men gave to the last question.

Obama got a C from me in the debate, very middling. McCain would have had a B except for the fact that he was completely condescending to everyone the entire time of the debate. His "my friends" shtick, calling Obama "that one", refusing to shake his hand, and perhaps the most annoying thing, acting like he personally gave a crap about the veteran who stood up and asked a question, I give him a D. That was a winnable debate for McCain, because Obama didn't go for the win, he just played not to lose.

Instead of seeing the maverick emerge, I saw more miscues and story twisting from McCain than in the first debate. Whatever happened to the guy who would walk on TV with Jon Stewart and just talk like he's an individual instead of a representative standing on a platform of republican money? I miss that.

[JIM LAMPLEY]

Shastafarian comes back with a right hook out of nowhere........