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was discussed in another thread. greased between rd 1 and 2. silly BJ would contest it, because a rematch is no favor to BJ.
Penn's Camp alleges Pierre's trainers used vasoline on his back between rounds to make him more elusive.
I dont see why, consdering St. Pierre destroyed him, but....it could lead to problems for him eh?
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/mma...urn=mma,138061
was discussed in another thread. greased between rd 1 and 2. silly BJ would contest it, because a rematch is no favor to BJ.
BloodyElbow reports Chuck Liddel was the "fan" that first noticed it.
Stupid cornerman but no big deal imo. Easy for a GSP fan to say though.
I doubt if BJ wants a rematch...
but it's still BS and shouldn't be going on...Dana has acknowledged that it was happening.
according to evan, it only happened between rd 1 and 2. nevertheless, nothing a $200,000 fine won't cure.
They won't penalize GSP for it, just the guilty cornerman.
Either way GSP was going to destroy Penn.
Cheating is cheating, and St. Pierre and his crew deserve whatever punishment is thrown at them. He was still kicking BJ's ass though.
I bet that cornerman gets banned from Nevada for a year. They wiped it off so no big deal.
Wouldn't the cornerman be part of GSP's crew??
Ahh, yea i figured it would have been discussed, but didnt see it anywhere.
I think its effects were minimal if any at all, and Penn didnt have a chance, BUT...it's still cheating, and in my opinion should negate the results of the fight.
Oh Blah Blah, this is all the Penn nuthuggers are crying about on Sherdog. Something for Penn to cling too i guess, as an excuse. Greg Jackson said this,
MMAWeekly.com
The fighters of Greg Jackson's team are no strangers to ritual inside the Octagon. First there's the "Jackson nipple tweak," a bizarre, if amusing, twist of the nipples his fighters often do before fighting, believed to prepare them for intense battle inside the Octagon. Now, there appears to be a new ritual in Jackson's camp, and it's the source of controversy following Georges St. Pierre's rout of B.J. Penn at Saturday's UFC 94.
St. Pierre's cornermen, including Jackson, were at the center of a storm at UFC 94 after officials from the Nevada State Athletic Commission approached them during the fight to investigate allegations that they were applying Vaseline to St. Pierre in between rounds.
Jackson spoke to MMAWeekly.com on Sunday afternoon and said the misunderstanding arose after Phil Nurse, one of St. Pierre's cornermen, executed a ritual taught by a member of St. Pierre's team, a "witch doctor" named Steven Friend.
"So in between rounds, (Friend) had this little drill that you do -- and Phil Nurse is the one who knows how to do it -- he showed Phil, and this is what Georges wanted, so we did that," Jackson said. "But this is why we were doing it. He rubbed your back and tapped your chest; I don't know exactly how it works. But anyways, what that's supposed to do is get your energy in line, or motivated or whatever. So in between rounds, we had Phil Nurse do that."
Jackson said St. Pierre has worked with Friend for years, since the French Canadian began training at Jackson's academy in Albuquerque, N.M. Jackson says Friend has also worked with Matt Hughes and Randy Couture in preparation for their fights. Friend was featured in the sixth season of The Ultimate Fighter as a guest of Hughes.
"The controversy came because Phil Nurse also was putting Vaseline on Georges' eyebrows," Jackson elaborated. "In between rounds, you always want to put on Vaseline on (a fighter's face). So Phil Nurse put all the Vaseline on his face, so his hands might have had a miniscule amount left over from that, when he went around the side and rubbed a little point on his back, and tapped on his chest.
"At that point, somebody in the audience thought we were greasing George down, and ran over and told the commission that we were greasing his body down. The commission came in and said 'you can't grease him down,' which didn't work. They said 'you're putting Vaseline on his back,' and Phil's like, 'oh, there might be a little on my fingers, but it wasn't intentional at all, and of course they wiped it right off and it was gone, so it wasn't a factor in the fight at all."
Indeed, much of the fight played out with St. Pierre on top of Penn, doling out a vicious ground and pound attack. Jackson said after a little explaining, the commission realized what was going on.
"We told our side of the story, we said didn't mean to put any grease anywhere," he said. "If we were trying to grease the back we'd be greasing up and down, we would make it count. We wouldn't do a little tiny spot in the back. The whole thing doesn't make any sense, so they were fine with it once we gave our explanation. It wasn't like we were taking gobs of Vaseline and slathering on his back. They didn't understand the drill that the witch doctor was having us do, and so it looked that way. It didn't effect the fight at all."
At this point, no formal complaint has been filed with the NSAC. The popular trainer chalks the whole incident up to fan paranoia.
"The whole greasing thing is pretty ridiculous," he said. "You can't grease somebody up. You just couldn't do it. They check your body before you get into the cage, there's an inspector right there. In order for us to grease him up, it would be insane. There are cameras everywhere. We don't cheat. We don't need to cheat to win."
Jackson said he wasn't aware if St. Pierre's ritual was related to the infamous "nipple tweak," as the whole business was "out of his domain." As long as it made his fighter feel better, he was all for it.
"If it works, we're going to use it," he said.
Make fun of GSP for his rituals, but hey i am not judging..
If it makes Penn and his fans feel any better, maybe they should fight again.Oh Blah Blah, this is all the Penn nuthuggers are crying about on Sherdog. Something for Penn to cling too i guess, as an excuse. Greg Jackson said this,
MMAWeekly.com
The fighters of Greg Jackson's team are no strangers to ritual inside the Octagon. First there's the "Jackson nipple tweak," a bizarre, if amusing, twist of the nipples his fighters often do before fighting, believed to prepare them for intense battle inside the Octagon. Now, there appears to be a new ritual in Jackson's camp, and it's the source of controversy following Georges St. Pierre's rout of B.J. Penn at Saturday's UFC 94.
St. Pierre's cornermen, including Jackson, were at the center of a storm at UFC 94 after officials from the Nevada State Athletic Commission approached them during the fight to investigate allegations that they were applying Vaseline to St. Pierre in between rounds.
Jackson spoke to MMAWeekly.com on Sunday afternoon and said the misunderstanding arose after Phil Nurse, one of St. Pierre's cornermen, executed a ritual taught by a member of St. Pierre's team, a "witch doctor" named Steven Friend.
"So in between rounds, (Friend) had this little drill that you do -- and Phil Nurse is the one who knows how to do it -- he showed Phil, and this is what Georges wanted, so we did that," Jackson said. "But this is why we were doing it. He rubbed your back and tapped your chest; I don't know exactly how it works. But anyways, what that's supposed to do is get your energy in line, or motivated or whatever. So in between rounds, we had Phil Nurse do that."
Jackson said St. Pierre has worked with Friend for years, since the French Canadian began training at Jackson's academy in Albuquerque, N.M. Jackson says Friend has also worked with Matt Hughes and Randy Couture in preparation for their fights. Friend was featured in the sixth season of The Ultimate Fighter as a guest of Hughes.
"The controversy came because Phil Nurse also was putting Vaseline on Georges' eyebrows," Jackson elaborated. "In between rounds, you always want to put on Vaseline on (a fighter's face). So Phil Nurse put all the Vaseline on his face, so his hands might have had a miniscule amount left over from that, when he went around the side and rubbed a little point on his back, and tapped on his chest.
"At that point, somebody in the audience thought we were greasing George down, and ran over and told the commission that we were greasing his body down. The commission came in and said 'you can't grease him down,' which didn't work. They said 'you're putting Vaseline on his back,' and Phil's like, 'oh, there might be a little on my fingers, but it wasn't intentional at all, and of course they wiped it right off and it was gone, so it wasn't a factor in the fight at all."
Indeed, much of the fight played out with St. Pierre on top of Penn, doling out a vicious ground and pound attack. Jackson said after a little explaining, the commission realized what was going on.
"We told our side of the story, we said didn't mean to put any grease anywhere," he said. "If we were trying to grease the back we'd be greasing up and down, we would make it count. We wouldn't do a little tiny spot in the back. The whole thing doesn't make any sense, so they were fine with it once we gave our explanation. It wasn't like we were taking gobs of Vaseline and slathering on his back. They didn't understand the drill that the witch doctor was having us do, and so it looked that way. It didn't effect the fight at all."
At this point, no formal complaint has been filed with the NSAC. The popular trainer chalks the whole incident up to fan paranoia.
"The whole greasing thing is pretty ridiculous," he said. "You can't grease somebody up. You just couldn't do it. They check your body before you get into the cage, there's an inspector right there. In order for us to grease him up, it would be insane. There are cameras everywhere. We don't cheat. We don't need to cheat to win."
Jackson said he wasn't aware if St. Pierre's ritual was related to the infamous "nipple tweak," as the whole business was "out of his domain." As long as it made his fighter feel better, he was all for it.
"If it works, we're going to use it," he said.
Make fun of GSP for his rituals, but hey i am not judging..
You don't negate the results of a huge main event fight beceause GSP had a little grease on his back that got wiped off. The ref wasn't even made aware of what was going on. IF this was such a big deal, why didn't they halt the action and take the time to wipe GSP down thourougly?? The Commission was standing there in between RDS 2 and 3 and 3 and 4. Nothing got applied at all there and whatever was, got rubbed off..
If you are cheating, it negates the results. Regardless of what the other cir stances are.
Im not saying he was, or that BJ stood a chance either way...just saying.
I don't care for either fighter to be honest.
the point is they weren't cheating. a little vasoline slipped on his back and it was wiped off. BJ fans (not you) are freakin delusional.
grease on GSP's back = bj penn being dominated 4 rds?
Question?
What is so different about this than what i have seen in boxing 100 times over when either in the middle of a round or the end of the RD the Ref goes to the corner and says" Too much greese on the face, wipe if off" Then the action resumes.. How many No contests are there, when it's wiped off and the fight resumes? I've never seen that in boxing. Part of this was Dana doing his typical ranting and raving at the press conference about how his "Cornerman should be dealt with" GSP was not found covered head to toe, in Vaseline after the fight was over. If you watch the fight again, maybe a spec got put on for RD 2, it was all wiped off and nothing was applied in RD 3 and 4. This is just stupid if the commission steps in and does something about it. Like anyone wants to pay 45 bucks to watch GSP massacre BJ again..
Jackson is minimizing quite a bit...
rubbed a "little point" on his back...not so much...
Check the videos here...the commission was all over it after the 1st rd...
http://www.fightlinker.com/gsp-corne...-the-event.mma
Dana and ringside fighter's reaction at 9:30 here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd2PmSss_h4
Mayhem Miller says he experienced the same from GSP...
http://www.fightlinker.com/jason-mil...st-him-too.mma
Serra and Sherk have said similar things too...
Slipped??
I'm not caring as a BJ fan because it wouldn't have had a big impact...I like GSP too (and picked him to win). But if there is cheating going on somebody needs to get slapped...
If they fight again, it won't even go that long, GSP will get him out of there in less than 3..
Anybody wanting a rematch because of this is a dumbass...that's not the point...
I taped the fight and watched it all back, looking at these things. Nurse had a little left on his hands, when he went to the back but most of it went on GSP's face. What Jackson says is right, they didn't put it all over his back, like crazy and whatever got on was all that got on, because they were all over it and watching them 2 rd on.. He was clearly wiped down, at the start of the 3rd and 4th..Jackson is minimizing quite a bit...
rubbed a "little point" on his back...not so much...
I think St. Pierre outclasses Penn, regardless of grease. I just think that if it is against the rules, you have to disregard the results.
Either way, whatever. i dont care enough to argue about it....lol...
I'd laugh if this fight was over turned and ruled a N/C. That's how a sakuraba fight ended cause akiyama used too much grease
I didn't say it was.. But it gives Penn the excuse he needs to cry for one..
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