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Dumbest thread ever. Seriously.
i will add tony > duncan + manu
Dumbest thread ever. Seriously.
If anyone wonders why I say Parker is overrated, this kind of re ed comment is why.
Celtics would do it in a heartbeat. Why shouldn't they, they'd win the next 4 with Parker on their roster.
Money for starters. Rondo is the best bargain on their otherwise expensive team.
Even in a contract neutral situation, I think they keep Rondo. In building a franchise teams think long term and Rondo is going to be cheap for two or three more years and is already a top flight PG. He's only going to get better.
Well, you have a point there slowly Pop is using Hill just to cover Tony’s ass on his poor defense…
so basically, people here are discussing about a Parker vs rondo trade for... 6 pages. And posters use the same thread to bring the Parker is overrated argument. This is funny
He is, who else? duncan?And dont call such comments re ed, just because you dont agree with other people's points. That's re ed!
Its all about duncan, duncan, duncan, duncan. He was, duncan is overrated, he is getting old, and currently he plays like . Get over duncan, quit soon.
Last edited by Bukefal; 03-19-2009 at 12:53 PM.
Fantasy basket ball.
As a spurs fan, all I want is my team to have a legitimate shot at the le.
With Tony we do. With Rondo we wouldn't.
Nuf said.
As long as this thread got trashed, which Spurs fans would do the following trades:
1. Duncan for Garnett
2. Duncan for Pierce and Allen
3. Manu for Pierce
4. Manu for Allen
5. Manu for Rondo
6. Gooden for Perkins
Gooden for Perkins could be done.
Some may consider Manu for Pierce but an healthy Manu is imo a better fit for us and we still haven't talked about the salary gap.
Right now....??
give me Perkins
The Celtics would not do this trade. (Neither team would.)
With Parker the Celtics offense would not improve- When they're healthy Boston already has plenty of offense and Parker's shots would come at the expense of other great scorers.
But Boston is based on defense first, and Parker is a downgrade from Rondo defensively.
It would also cost the Celtics a few possessions a game on rebounds.
You add the contractual situation and the age difference (they need SOMEONE to build around in a few years) and there's no way Boston would do the swap.
I understand everyone here thinking Parker is superior (you've only seen Rondo play only a limited amount) but that's just not the case. The stats tell a different story and so do the games.
Rondo is a terrific young point guard- the best in the game defensively, one of the best passers, one of the best rebounders, and the top percentage shooter.
The argument that he only does it because of teammates has been debunked; he's just as good or better without the other stars.
The statement that Marbury was picked up because of perceived weakness in Rondo is not true. Marbury is there because Eddie House is vulnerable to the press and the Celtics tempo dies when Rondo leaves the game.
In February when the team was healthy the Celtics went on an extended western road trip. Rondo faced Chris Paul, Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Deron Williams, and Chauncey Billups. That's five straight guys who will some day get hall of fame consideration.
Question: How did he do? Answer: On average a lot better than they did.
Here's Rondo vs. 5 all stars over that period:
Points: Rondo 86, All Stars 66.
Assists: Rondo 50, All Stars 41.
Rebs: Rondo 38, All Stars 11.
If it wasn't for early foul trouble in Utah it would have been even more lopsided.
Rondo's playing hurt now, but he has to be healthy. Without Rondo the Celtics have no chance to repeat. He's every bit as important to their team as Parker is to the Spurs.
contract neutral?
Gooden for Perkins should be the only trade conceivable for spurs fans.
The big 3 is fine and their contracts are reasonable. There could be question about manu's level and health, but if he's at his real level, it's a no brainer here too. i think that these PO are very important for manu's future (and future contract) with the spurs. Tim and Tony won't go anywhere. Manu, hopefully and logically, will be here too till he retires.
aww no!
Yes.
I would deal Rondo and even be willing to donate a testicle if it meant getting Tony Parker.
That's one of the worst things anyone has ever said about Parker here.
The idea that because Rondo has similar/better stats than Parker based on 36 mins, then Rondon >= Parker is absurd. You are strictly assuming that a player has a linear increase in statistics based on minutes played while ignoring factors like fatigue, opposition defense adjustments, and such.
Pops Mensah-Bonsu averages 27 and 19, with 1.8 steals and 1.8 blocks, shooting 71.4% from the field when his stats were projected to 36 minutes. That is better than Duncan, but we all know that Duncan > Pops.
To take a player who has more minutes. In 2008, Ginobili averages 22.6 ppg, 5.2 ast, 5.5 rpg, 1.7 stls, and shoots 46.1% FG%, 40.1 3P%, and 86FT%. Kobe scores 26.2 ppg, gets 5 ast, 5.8 rpg, 1.7 stls, 45.9FG%, 36.1 3P%, and 84FT%, but nobody will say that Ginobili > Kobe, right?
36 minute stats also gave Calvin Booth a very fat contract. But we all know that this kind of analysis is faulty.
And no, Rondo is not Parker’s equal. While you are asking people not to penalize Rondo for not being the 1st option, you are unfairly rewarding him by treating his stats as if he was a 1st option on offense.
In the games where at least one of the big 3s were (up until the Miami game) not present, the stats for Rondo is as follows:
~ 30 minutes a game
13 ppg, 8.5 ast, 5.4 rpg, 1.2 stl, 0.2 blk on 48% FG, 29% 3P, and 73% FT
While nice, this translates to a
15.6 ppg, 10.2 ast, 6.5 rpg, 1.44 spg, and 0.2 bpg per 36 minute stat, on the above percentages.
No surprises that Rondo saw a dip in FG% and 3P% when attention is being taken away from him.
I wouldn't trade Jacque Vaughan for Rajon Rondo. Rondo pretty much became the ultimate head when he wanted to push Kobe and act like he was someone significant. While Kobe isn't an MVP-type caliber player or necessarily spectacular, you have to respect him for showing restraint against scrubs like Rondo and against Raja Bell a few years ago when he clotheslined him. Why waste time and get suspended over two nothings...
Rondo is one of the top 5 overrated NBA players this season.
I have nothing against Rondo as a person, he's just useless on the court.
I think that in the Spurs position, they need Tony's scoring. We'd be totally screwed if Rondo was trying to carry the load. That's the clincher.
i honestly wouldnt even trade george hill for rondo.
I have to agree. Comparing Parker to Manu and discussing trades is one thing. Comparing him to Rondo though? Saying he's Parker's equal no less? That's just wrong dude.That's one of the worst things anyone has ever said about Parker here.
While I appreciate your argument, there's no way the Celtics turn down Parker for Rondo if their contracts matched. That's absolutely absurd.
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