Tony Parker for Rajon Rondo: Would you do it?

[NRHector]

Please someone delete this thread

[ajballer4]

god no...chicago was leaving him open on purpose...he has NO jumper

[Biggems]

To be honest........I wouldnt take any PG in the NBA over Parker, and that include Chris "Helicopter" Paul

Paul showed me what a he really is in those final two playoff games. The Spurs may have lost, but Parker went out guns a blazin. He did everything he could to carry the team on his back.


this thread is completely absurd.....Rondo couldnt lace Parker's Nikes, much less replace him in Silver and Black.

[E20]

At first glance when I opened up the thread, I thought it was gonna be one of the many stupid Trade ______ threads.

But this thread has to back it up and not what I expected.

[VI_Massive]

To be honest........I wouldnt take any PG in the NBA over Parker, and that include Chris "Helicopter" Paul

Paul showed me what a he really is in those final two playoff games. The Spurs may have lost, but Parker went out guns a blazin. He did everything he could to carry the team on his back.

Yeah, I was really surprised at how Paul folded in that series. I understand he may hate Byron Scott, but that's no excuse to play the way he did. Dahntay Jones totally punked him, and Jones is good, no doubt, but if you're supposed to be the best PG in the league and one of the best players, you can't get owned that badly by anyone for a whole series.

And please folks, keep in mind that I'm not saying I WOULD trade Parker for Rondo. I'm just saying I think its an interesting question to consider. I think they're both underrated, although after this season/postseason they will probably be properly rated. The deciding factor, I think, is that Rondo simply doesn't provide the scoring output for which the Spurs count on Parker.

Here's a different question I have that's tangentially related --- why do you think TP ran out of gas so much at the end of the season/end of the Mavs' games? I know he handles the ball all the time, is relied upon for scoring etc., but look at Ray Allen in that Boston/Chicago series......he runs as much if not more than anyone in the league -- constantly in motion -- and it took almost 60 hours of floor time before he finally started to look diminished at the end of game 6.

Is there something Tony doesn't do conditioning-wise? That's hard for me to imagine.

Is it the French NT play?

What am I missing?

[GooberNuts]

No.

[Biggems]

Yeah, I was really surprised at how Paul folded in that series. I understand he may hate Byron Scott, but that's no excuse to play the way he did. Dahntay Jones totally punked him, and Jones is good, no doubt, but if you're supposed to be the best PG in the league and one of the best players, you can't get owned that badly by anyone for a whole series.

And please folks, keep in mind that I'm not saying I WOULD trade Parker for Rondo. I'm just saying I think its an interesting question to consider. I think they're both underrated, although after this season/postseason they will probably be properly rated. The deciding factor, I think, is that Rondo simply doesn't provide the scoring output for which the Spurs count on Parker.

Here's a different question I have that's tangentially related --- why do you think TP ran out of gas so much at the end of the season/end of the Mavs' games? I know he handles the ball all the time, is relied upon for scoring etc., but look at Ray Allen in that Boston/Chicago series......he runs as much if not more than anyone in the league -- constantly in motion -- and it took almost 60 hours of floor time before he finally started to look diminished at the end of game 6.

Is there something Tony doesn't do conditioning-wise? That's hard for me to imagine.

Is it the French NT play?

What am I missing?

Allen doesnt run as hard as Parker, as balls out as Parker. Also, Allen doesnt penetrate to the rim and get knocked to the ground as often as Parker.....then on defense, Parker has to guard guys like Kidd, Barea, Paul, Williams, Bibby, Harris, Nash, etc.....those little guys make you use a lot of energy on the defensive end.

[VI_Massive]

Allen doesnt run as hard as Parker, as balls out as Parker. Also, Allen doesnt penetrate to the rim and get knocked to the ground as often as Parker.....then on defense, Parker has to guard guys like Kidd, Barea, Paul, Williams, Bibby, Harris, Nash, etc.....those little guys make you use a lot of energy on the defensive end.

Ray Allen runs as hard and as much without the ball in his hands as anyone. No way you can dispute that. And in the Chicago series, Allen was chasing Ben Gordon, another guy in constant motion. So those arguments are without merit.

Allen doesn't have the ball in his hands like TP and doesn't drive to the rim like him -- those are the only differences. But the amount of running and intensity of the running without the ball that Allen does seems to me like it would even out the "not having the ball in his hands" factor.

[Biggems]

Ray Allen runs as hard and as much without the ball in his hands as anyone. No way you can dispute that. And in the Chicago series, Allen was chasing Ben Gordon, another guy in constant motion. So those arguments are without merit.

Allen doesn't have the ball in his hands like TP and doesn't drive to the rim like him -- those are the only differences. But the amount of running and intensity of the running without the ball that Allen does seems to me like it would even out the "not having the ball in his hands" factor.

allen isnt in constant motion...yes he moves around a lot, but there are also several possessions where he sets up behind the arc and lets the offense come to him.

if you are basing this on the Bulls series, then your view is skewed. Remember, the Cs are missing Garnett. Allen has to move around more to get open. When Garnett is in there, Allen is more stagnant, cause the D collapses on Garnett and Pierce, and Allen is wide open on the perimeter.

[VI_Massive]

allen isnt in constant motion...yes he moves around a lot, but there are also several possessions where he sets up behind the arc and lets the offense come to him.

if you are basing this on the Bulls series, then your view is skewed. Remember, the Cs are missing Garnett. Allen has to move around more to get open. When Garnett is in there, Allen is more stagnant, cause the D collapses on Garnett and Pierce, and Allen is wide open on the perimeter.

Disagree. He runs as hard and as much as anyone. The only other player I can think of who comes close in that dept. is Rip Hamilton. At least, when he was alive.

[VI_Massive]

but back to the bigger point....why was TP getting gassed at the 40 minute mark when other players who exert similar amounts of energy seem to be able to play as long or longer without tiring as quickly?

To me, Ray Allen's constant motion is closer to the effort Parker exerts driving to the rim all the time. I don't think you can argue that Parker "runs harder" than Ray, but maybe I'm wrong about how much energy the constant drives sap?

[ducks]

Boston has so much faith in Rondo, going out and signing Sam Cassell and Stephon Marbury in back to back seasons.

[Hemotivo]

only if tony wants to go to boston

[EricB]

At first glance when I opened up the thread, I thought it was gonna be one of the many stupid Trade ______ threads.

But this thread has to back it up and not what I expected.

Wow, shocking....

[cheney212]

Rondo sucks this post cant be serious

[AnthonyM]

but back to the bigger point....why was TP getting gassed at the 40 minute mark when other players who exert similar amounts of energy seem to be able to play as long or longer without tiring as quickly?

To me, Ray Allen's constant motion is closer to the effort Parker exerts driving to the rim all the time. I don't think you can argue that Parker "runs harder" than Ray, but maybe I'm wrong about how much energy the constant drives sap?

exerting energy coming off screens and then shooting is definitely not as exhausting as driving in the lane possession after possession...

not to mention parker gets knocked down in a game way more than allen does

andddd parker had to carry the team most of the year...him getting tired in the dallas series was a product of the whole season not just those games....

and tony being tired at the end of the games wouldnt have mattered had our role players showed up in the series...

[VaSpursFan]

no way. rondo looks good because he's on a team with players that actually hit shots (allen, pierce, KG). put him on the spurs, we score 20 less points a game and rondo would average 2 assists with the brick throwers that we have. rondo would merely be an average pg on the spurs.

[Spursfan092120]

Not just no... NO! Rondo wouldn't have the refs in his pocket if he left Boston.

[spurs opsman]

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Don't know if theoretical trade threads are frowned upon or not, but I was watching the Celtics game tonight and listening to them talk about how good Rondo is. </p>
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<p>And I agree, so would you trade or approve of a trade of Tony Parker for Rajon Rondo, straight up?</p>
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<p>My thoughts:</p>
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<p>Rondo's younger and cheaper and likely to get better. </p>
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<p>But Parker is a championship-winning stud who's playing the best ball of his career right now.</p>
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<p>I would be in favor of it, though I think its an incredibly close argument.</p>
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<p>In posing the question, I'm considering it not just as a &quot;who's better?&quot; argument but who you would rather have as a franchise, including age, salary, prospects for improvement, etc.</p>
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<p>What do you think?

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[Jace]

Rondo doesn't suck but he isn't Tony Parker either.

[spurs opsman]

Why not just suggest trading TP to a divisional rival for cash and the rights to some "euro" that will never play for the Spurs ever...like that would ever happen!

[SouthTexasRancher]

For Rondo? No

For Ronda? Yes

And don't forget Ronda's twin sister, Rhonda. Yum, yum!

[SouthTexasRancher]

This might be the worst thread ever.

If it ain't it is damn close.

[Brazil]

Rondo doesn't suck but he isn't Tony Parker either.

what he said

[timvp]

Rondo has gotten pretty damn good. I give props to Doc Rivers for giving him room to grow and play to his absolute maximum capabilities. Rivers has done an amazing job with the youngsters on the Celtics. He has freakin' Big Baby playing close to a 20 and 10 player.

TP still is the better but Rondo is definitely in the top ten now.

That said, I want to see what he does in the next round versus Alston. Derrick Rose was statistically the worst defender in the league this season. Alston, on the other hand, is someone who I think has been underrated as a defender for the last few years. Outside of Devin Harris, Alston probably defends Parker the best and could make life tough for Rondo.