Hakeem vs Duncan Part 2

[LkrFan]

Does Jim lead the NBA in anything all-time?

NBA blocks leader: Dream (3,830)

Let's look at traditional all-time lists for big men (points, blocks, rebounds and Olympic Medals primarily) and other .

Points
Dream: 26,946 (11th)
Jim: 26,496 (14th)
Advantage Dream

Rebounds
Dream 13,748 (13th)
Jim 15,091 (6th)
Advantage Jim

Blocks
Dream 3,830 (1st)
Jim 3,020 (5th)
Advantage Dream

Steals
Dream 2,162 (8th)
Jim 1,025 (158th )
Advantage Dream

Olympic Medal
Dream Gold (1996)
Jim Bronze (2004 )
Advantage Dream

So by my unofficial scientific tally, I got Dream winning 4 out of 5 categories. And he played 154 games less than Jim did.

Conclusion: Dream >>> Jim

[LkrFan]

Bonus points: Dream even repeated as champion

[phxspurfan]

Duncan had a much longer prime, better game for longevity (never had some crazy spin move), and was more loyal. Stayed with SA while Hakeem ran away from Houston at the end. Duncan also carried tier Spurs teams (00-04) than Olajuwon, who played with all stars/future hall of famers in their primes pretty much his whole career.

[Robz4000]

Ignoring that this thread is TD vs Hakeem, the fact Juancho had to post a dozen times to try to get across his opinion makes me immediately go the opposite direction.

Therefore, TD > Hakeem.

[FrostKing]

Duncan + Robinson > Hakeem + Sampson

But I ultimately choose Duncan based on (not big) edge on Defense. Tim not needing to be Alpha in the media (forced today?) and ultimately the Rings / Championships

Edge: Duncan

Note: Tim arguably more effective in "todays NBA"

[LkrFan]

Ignoring that this thread is TD vs Hakeem, the fact Juancho had to post a dozen times to try to get across his opinion makes me immediately go the opposite direction.

Therefore, TD > Hakeem.

[LkrFan]

Duncan + Robinson > Hakeem + Sampson

But I ultimately choose Duncan based on (not big) edge on Defense. Tim not needing to be Alpha in the media (forced today?) and ultimately the Rings / Championships

Edge: Duncan

Note: Tim arguably more effective in "todays NBA"

Wut? Dream is the all-time leader in blocks, 8th in steals (Jim is 158th). Dream absolutely played defense son.

And Dream swept Shaq. Neva lost! Can Jim say he neva lost to Shaq in the playoffs?

[LkrFan]

Duncan had a much longer prime, better game for longevity (never had some crazy spin move), and was more loyal. Stayed with SA while Hakeem ran away from Houston at the end. Duncan also carried tier Spurs teams (00-04) than Olajuwon, who played with all stars/future hall of famers in their primes pretty much his whole career.

Best big man Dream ever played with? Otis Thorpe. Jim? The Admiral. Dream still repeated as champ and Jim didn't

[Arcadian]

You made it too easy by framing it as "franchise player" - Timmy was the greatest franchise player of all time.

If you had said "best peak performance," then we might have a reasonable debate.

[phxspurfan]

Best big man Dream ever played with? Otis Thorpe. Jim? The Admiral. Dream still repeated as champ and Jim didn't

Horry, Barkley, Pippen...

[Spurtacular]

Best big man Dream ever played with? Otis Thorpe. Jim? The Admiral. Dream still repeated as champ and Jim didn't

The Admiral cost Tim a back to back by insisting on being 1A in 98 against Utah, tbh.

[LkrFan]

Horry, Barkley, Pippen...

Forgot about Big Shot. The other 2 were TOSBs in Houston.

[LkrFan]

The Admiral cost Tim a back to back by insisting on being 1A in 98 against Utah, tbh.

Jim cost himself a repeat when big bad shot blocking sensation Battier intimidated him on det pathetic layup attempt

[Spurtacular]

Jim cost himself a repeat when big bad shot blocking sensation Battier intimidated him on det pathetic layup attempt

TBF, it was him trying to win a championship for the second time after Poop fu'd it.

[dbreiden83080]

Hakeem carried the team to both championships

With Jordan striking out in the Minor Leagues..

[KobeOwnsDuncan]

7:49 Duncan vs Hakeem = Duncan Travel
8:03 Duncan vs Hakeem = Dream blocking the out of Jim

Hakeem had the lateral quickness to guard any position 1-5.

[Spurtacular]

7:49 Duncan vs Hakeem = Duncan Travel
8:03 Duncan vs Hakeem = Dream blocking the out of Jim

Hakeem had the lateral quickness to guard any position 1-5.

Those Spurs/Rockets teams would probably kick the out of today's Spurs/Rockets teams.

[KobeOwnsDuncan]

And then getting dunked on by an old ass Dream? Yet somehow that slowass could handle Dream in his prime

[Spurtacular]

And then getting dunked on by an old ass Dream? Yet somehow that slowass could handle Dream in his prime

Wish that was D-Rob on the help. He had mad hops. He would've sent that flying; would've been a much better sight to see over Hakeem barely getting the ball over the rim. Perhaps something epic like this:

[ambchang]

And then getting dunked on by an old ass Dream? Yet somehow that slowass could handle Dream in his prime

So you are saying Hakeem can’t compare to Kevin Johnson?

[LkrFan]

Wish that was D-Rob on the help. He had mad hops. He would've sent that flying; would've been a much better sight to see over Hakeem barely getting the ball over the rim. Perhaps something epic like this:

You kidding right? MVP Admiral didn't want any parts of the original Nigerian Nightmare. This, my friend, is the difference between a Gold Medal winner (1996) and a Bronze Medal loser (1988)

[LkrFan]

Prime for Prime, Dream would've destroyed Jim. Ask Shaq about that African smoke

[KobeOwnsDuncan]

Prime for Prime, Dream would've destroyed Jim. Ask Shaq about that African smoke

, even Robinson said if he started a team, he would pick Hakeem first. Over Duncan

[LkrFan]

, even Robinson said if he started a team, he would pick Hakeem first. Over Duncan

An ass kicking is like truth serum

[Spurtacular]

, even Robinson said if he started a team, he would pick Hakeem first. Over Duncan

They played different positions. But if you got a quote....