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Been there, done that. We've already established that it's a perfectly black and white issue whether or not the grey fuzzy line should be crossed.
I could live with it, if we are talking about 'enemy combatants' or whatever the Orwellian speak label is appropriate for them these days. That is, if there is good reason to believe that information needed to prevent a mass casualty attack on civilians is to be gained. But I'm not necessarily too thrilled about setting the precedent of the state shooting up whoever it has in custody with a drug just because there could be something advantageous for the state from doing so.
Been there, done that. We've already established that it's a perfectly black and white issue whether or not the grey fuzzy line should be crossed.
Suggesting that the shame and disgrace of torture should not attach because useful information was gained therefrom, is a contemptuous perversion of morality IMO.
Geez. This issue turns conservatives into post-modern relativists. Don't people care about judeo-christian values anymore, or did they just get too expensive for some people?
The next time some bright boy thinks of a torture policy, he knows he will be outed.
The same way it's been done for decades, if not longer. Develop a relationship between detainer and detainee, and get the detainee to trust the detainer.
You can't have values if yer dead! [/conservative]
SS and Medicare turn them into 'socialists,' but please don't let them know.
Sounds good to me, but I don't see that trust developing between a Muslim terrorist and a non-Muslim interrogator.
I agree, but I don't think we're pulling random people off the street for waterboarding sessions. Based on some of the responses in this thread, you'd think our intelligence community are the North Vietnamese in a badly made Chuck Norris film.
I agree, but don't we as a country seem lazy as it pertains to military involvement with, as well as the use of military technology by, law enforcement? It's almost as if we've stopped caring about the distinction (just my random perception).
At heart, this statement is basically nihilistic; true believers don't believe mortality extinguishes justice.
I realize some will part with me on this point, and I respect that, but I will hold my ground.
God saw us torture those men. Others having died or having been saved does not excuse our fault, and those who survive us may yet receive the benefit of any temporal justice that is done, if we don't receive it ourselves.
The idea that the solitary death of an innocent extinguishes human rights everywhere would be laughable if it weren't so dangerous and so pathetic. Death is accompanied by a loss of rights. Duh!
You can't have values if you're dead is a commonplace that has puffed itself up like a blowfish, and gets worshipped as a principle.
"Just because you believe that killing me is your ticket to heaven doesn't mean we can't be friends..................."
Scurrilous. No such comparison was made.
Your lullaby, not mine.
You don't really like satire, do you?
I suppose.
When it's funny or insightful, yes I do. Yours failed on both counts. It also lacks a distinct target.
Wait a minute . . . torture is always ineffective! That's the ticket.
Right? Right?
Don't worry, this is just another reason that will make this administration go down as one of the worse in history. Time will reveal the truth.
Can we start by agreeing that the harsh interrogation techniques used are not considered torture by everyone.
That it is an opinion...
Yeah, the last administration always cherry-picked the information it chose to release. Time is revealing the truth that it is one of the worst in history.
Waterboarding someone scores or hundreds of times is torture.
I'm sorry. I started reading this thread, but it's five pages long, and people keep calling it torture. Waterboarding does not fit that definition in my opinion, or many others. Maybe to the extremes of it, yes. There are different levels of using the procedure, like anything else.
Besides, I was too busy to log on yesterday, and this was a busy past couple days. Global Warming has finally graced us with it's presence. Still a little chilly, but it's no longer cold...
No, we can't.
The conversation has already moved way past the semantic showdown. Torture happened, our government has already admitted as much. It was a ing policy, deliberately and aggressively pursued.
Face it, WC. We're torturers.
It's torture. If you're ok with its being legal for captors in any conflict doing that to our troops, that's your business.
I'm not.
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