After we dipped into the lux tax to get RJ, I'll believe anything the spurs do.
But offering a 4 year contract to a 35 year old wallace at the MLE seems a bit misguided, I think that's what he was meaning to say
I'm sorry...at what point did you think there was a logical reason?
Um...no. I didn't even know RJ was a possibility until I read the posts on here that the Spurs had gotten him. They've made good trades in the past as well. Again, trades aren't remotely the same thing as attracting someone of their own free will.
After we dipped into the lux tax to get RJ, I'll believe anything the spurs do.
But offering a 4 year contract to a 35 year old wallace at the MLE seems a bit misguided, I think that's what he was meaning to say
Are you trying to say there is no logical reason given that the Spurs could land Sheed or that there is no logical reason on why the Spurs have struck out in the past via FA?
Didn't know RJ was a possibility? Many of us discussed this far before the trade took place and started threads about it. They have not made trades of this magnitude (getting a star with giving up so little while going into the lux tax).
I agree it is different than FA signings, but the Spurs have a realistic shot.
1) Not going to be outbid if they do not want to be.
2) Tim is a friend
3) Respects Pop as a coach
4) Chance for a significant role
5) Chance to win a le.
didnt boston not wanna given an extra year to James Posey last year?
Ok, that is not the point though. The Spurs COULD do it if they wanted. Will they? I do not know. But they are not compe ing with teams with more money.
Other teams probably think the same thing about Sheed as well.
There's no logical reason why the Spurs shouldn't land Rasheed, and there's no logical reason the Spurs have had such poor luck attracting free agents. The latter trumps the former, but I still find myself being buoyed by the optimism on this board. I thought it worthy of comment.
Yeah, you'll forgive me for ignoring threads en led "trade idea" over the last month. They've made big trades before, but any discussion before last week that the Spurs were going to exceed the cap would have been laughed at, because the Spurs never did that before.
Makes perfect sense to me. When he's a Celtic we'll all be scratching our heads.
Did you ignore the threads en le "Trade Prospects Richard Jefferson" in the think tank
I agree, he very well could be a Celtic. I am not at all counting him in. I just thought you were trying to say the Spurs have no shot. But you are correct, if history repeats itself, then it does not look good.
But if you look it at just statistically, the odds are not good. If there are 4 legit teams after him (Spurs, Cavs, Orlando and Boston) and they all have the same money, the Spurs only have a 25% chance anyways.
Now, that does not take into consideration other factors, but just money.
Bruce Bowen
Rasho Nesterovic
Robert Horry
Brent Barry
Michael Finley
Roger Mason, Jr.
Free agents never come to San Antonio.
Wallace won't be coming to San Antonio
Who the is that re ?
July 1, 2:41 PM
On your mark. Get set. Eh.
The NBA free agent carnival began last night at midnight (EST) but there’s no reason to rush. While teams and players can start negotiating, they’ll have to wait till July 8th to get a deal done. It’s also the reopening of the trade window, where you should expect to see a few sign and trade deals.
With teams like Atlanta, Detroit, Toronto, Memphis, Sacramento and Oklahoma City dangling cap space – only the Pistons and Hawks are real playoff contenders.
But with next summer looming and free agent names like Lebron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh expected to be available; teams won’t be spending for the sake of spending.
Carlos Boozer, for example, may have calculated that there will be more options a season from now and he’s probably right. Earlier proclaiming that he would opt out of the final year of a deal paying him over $12 million, Boozer will stay in Utah for another season.
The names getting the most love this offseason are Hedo Turkoglu, Ben Gordon, Jason Kidd and Rasheed Wallace. Reports have Toronto, Portland and Detroit all coveting Turkoglu. If he wants to win a championship, he’ll resign with Orlando.
Gordon, who sought a multi-year deal last offseason, originally turned down Chicago’s 6-year, $59 million dollar offer and ultimately signed a one-year tender for just over $6 million. Gordon will be lucky to get a similar multi-year deal that he scoffed at a season ago considering both the economy and the number of teams with cap space.
Gordon either has terrible management or has a terribly inflated idea of his value. He’s a decent player and good scorer who will never make an All Star team. Oh yeah, that’s worth $10 million in the NBA (see below).
Kidd is trying to get a ring. Or so he says. While Dallas has the inside track and there are talks about New York, the Lakers may be his most intriguing suitor. With Orlando, Boston, Cleveland and San Antonio reloading, LA is just trying to hang onto Lamar Odom and Trevor Ariza to stay in the mix. Realistically, Dallas does not have enough ammo to compete for the NBA Championship but they can probably offer Kidd the most money. You'll know how serious Kidd is about a le if he goes anywhere other than LA.
As for Wallace, strap in Spurs’ fans, this will get dicey. It’s believed San Antonio, Orlando and Boston are at the top of the list to land the services of the 4-time All-Star. Despite some reporting the Spurs as the frontrunner, don’t count on it.
Didn’t Corey Maggette have San Antonio at the top of his list last year, too?
That was until Golden State gave him a 5-year deal worth nearly $50 million. Maggette is not quite the scorer that Gordon is but he’s a better all around talent who can play a couple of positions.
Regardless, the Warriors’ offer took the Spurs out of the discussion before settling for Roger Mason.
While Mason was a good value signing, he’s not near the talent of a Corey Maggette. But he was the right price.
With Kevin Garnett personally seeking out Wallace, expect Boston to steal the mercurial power forward forcing San Antonio to plan B, which some speculate will involve Wallace’s Detroit teammate Antonio McDyess. Whether it's plan B, C or D it'll be surprising to see Wallace choose the Spurs over Garnett or Orlando. In either case, he'll make about the same money and play in a much easier conference.
You can take a night off in the East and make the playoffs, the West is a different animal.
Regardless, expect more speculation over the next week, including here, as the top tier teams in the league jockey for that one player they think can take them over the top. Expect others, including Allen Iverson, waiting by the window.
Players like David Lee, Charlie Villanueva and Marcin Gortat will garner more league-wide interest than AI, whose best option might be to reunite with former coach Larry Brown in Charlotte.
Despite the economy and history of free agency, teams will be shopping this summer. They always do.
There's also always a line of guys that will play for $5 million, too - especially when they realize they can't get more. This is one of those seasons.
Even in major pro sports the money is drying up and the smart teams are looking for values, discounts and team fits -- first.
http://www.examiner.com/x-14479-San-Antonio-Spurs-Examiner~y2009m7d1-Wallace-wont-be-coming-to-San-Antonio
Let's get over Sheed now... he is not coming... Time for plan B...Wallace won't be coming to San Antonio
Who the is that re ?
July 1, 2:41 PM
On your mark. Get set. Eh.
The NBA free agent carnival began last night at midnight (EST) but there’s no reason to rush. While teams and players can start negotiating, they’ll have to wait till July 8th to get a deal done. It’s also the reopening of the trade window, where you should expect to see a few sign and trade deals.
With teams like Atlanta, Detroit, Toronto, Memphis, Sacramento and Oklahoma City dangling cap space – only the Pistons and Hawks are real playoff contenders.
But with next summer looming and free agent names like Lebron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh expected to be available; teams won’t be spending for the sake of spending.
Carlos Boozer, for example, may have calculated that there will be more options a season from now and he’s probably right. Earlier proclaiming that he would opt out of the final year of a deal paying him over $12 million, Boozer will stay in Utah for another season.
The names getting the most love this offseason are Hedo Turkoglu, Ben Gordon, Jason Kidd and Rasheed Wallace. Reports have Toronto, Portland and Detroit all coveting Turkoglu. If he wants to win a championship, he’ll resign with Orlando.
Gordon, who sought a multi-year deal last offseason, originally turned down Chicago’s 6-year, $59 million dollar offer and ultimately signed a one-year tender for just over $6 million. Gordon will be lucky to get a similar multi-year deal that he scoffed at a season ago considering both the economy and the number of teams with cap space.
Gordon either has terrible management or has a terribly inflated idea of his value. He’s a decent player and good scorer who will never make an All Star team. Oh yeah, that’s worth $10 million in the NBA (see below).
Kidd is trying to get a ring. Or so he says. While Dallas has the inside track and there are talks about New York, the Lakers may be his most intriguing suitor. With Orlando, Boston, Cleveland and San Antonio reloading, LA is just trying to hang onto Lamar Odom and Trevor Ariza to stay in the mix. Realistically, Dallas does not have enough ammo to compete for the NBA Championship but they can probably offer Kidd the most money. You'll know how serious Kidd is about a le if he goes anywhere other than LA.
As for Wallace, strap in Spurs’ fans, this will get dicey. It’s believed San Antonio, Orlando and Boston are at the top of the list to land the services of the 4-time All-Star. Despite some reporting the Spurs as the frontrunner, don’t count on it.
Didn’t Corey Maggette have San Antonio at the top of his list last year, too?
That was until Golden State gave him a 5-year deal worth nearly $50 million. Maggette is not quite the scorer that Gordon is but he’s a better all around talent who can play a couple of positions.
Regardless, the Warriors’ offer took the Spurs out of the discussion before settling for Roger Mason.
While Mason was a good value signing, he’s not near the talent of a Corey Maggette. But he was the right price.
With Kevin Garnett personally seeking out Wallace, expect Boston to steal the mercurial power forward forcing San Antonio to plan B, which some speculate will involve Wallace’s Detroit teammate Antonio McDyess. Whether it's plan B, C or D it'll be surprising to see Wallace choose the Spurs over Garnett or Orlando. In either case, he'll make about the same money and play in a much easier conference.
You can take a night off in the East and make the playoffs, the West is a different animal.
Regardless, expect more speculation over the next week, including here, as the top tier teams in the league jockey for that one player they think can take them over the top. Expect others, including Allen Iverson, waiting by the window.
Players like David Lee, Charlie Villanueva and Marcin Gortat will garner more league-wide interest than AI, whose best option might be to reunite with former coach Larry Brown in Charlotte.
Despite the economy and history of free agency, teams will be shopping this summer. They always do.
There's also always a line of guys that will play for $5 million, too - especially when they realize they can't get more. This is one of those seasons.
Even in major pro sports the money is drying up and the smart teams are looking for values, discounts and team fits -- first.
http://www.examiner.com/x-14479-San-...to-San-Antonio
Start up the "we don't want Sheed anyway threads"
San Antonio's biggest positive/s to offer are being a class organization, full of coachable team players, some of which are the best or at least top 5 in the NBA at their position and of course they have the history of being recent NBA champs. This is a battle tested team ready to make a run at a le. There is a very short list of teams like this in the NBA. Everyone here and around the world knows this... it all sounds great. San Antonio also had that when Karl Malone and others decided to go elsewhere. We also had that when Brent Barry, Steve Kerr and Finley chose San Antonio (granted the championship history was not as deep at that time). Point is, it takes a certain type of player to be a Spur if you know what I mean. Rodman grabbed his rings with MJ not with "Five-O." Let's just say a guy like that is not a "San Antonio" guy.
You can't say SA is the best city in the world. It depends A LOT on who you are asking. Gotta step outside the homer realm and see the city for what it is. SA is not a LA/New York type place, alive and moving. The town itself is not a draw for superstars. It doesn't even have a real skyline. The town isn't crawling with actresses or supermodels nor will you have the paparazzi shooting pics of you and Paris Hilton (skank) at some lame club opening . SA is a small market town where you become a star in the community as well as in the local public. You are actually "part" of a community here. That matters to some when choosing where to play; some embrace it and to others it's a major turn off. Those guys would rather be partying in South Beach or in the limelight in LA/NY. I don't know if Sheed is one to pick a city like SA over Boston? Is he one to do HEB commercials or try his hand at speaking Spanish on TV with Manu for Comcast??? Those are the sort of things SA players do. Plus keep in mind none of this may matter at all... if he's chasing the almighty dollar rather than a ring, we'll be out of the mix. San Antonio cannot win a bidding war for Sheed with the MLE. So is Sheed an SA type of guy??? I don't know the anser to that question and I don't think anyone on this board does. Thus the final answer... we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
I don't think I opened a single trade prospect thread; there's just too much speculation to try to guess what's going to happen.Did you ignore the threads en le "Trade Prospects Richard Jefferson" in the think tank
To sum up: NO I didn't say that the Spurs couldn't trade for Jefferson because nobody trades with the Spurs.
The Spurs do have a realistic shot. The Celtics and Spurs are in very similar positions and offer very similar attractions to Rasheed:
The Celtics ownership has been willing to spend to win so,
1) Not going to be outbid if they don't want to be (unless someone offers over the MLE)
2) KG is a very close friend
3) Respects Doc as a coach
4) Will get a significant role (starter minutes off the bench)
5) Chance to win a le
If you look these lists there's not much to choose between the two teams and Rasheed would do well going to either place.
Now we're firmly into stupid season.
A couple of days ago, people were speculating that Antonio McDyess was set to re-up in Detroit, so he was off the table.
So attention focused on Rasheed Wallace.
Meanwhile, speculation about McDyess changed, sending him to Boston instead.
Yesterday, people were speculating with little grounds that San Antonio was the frontrunner for Rasheed Wallace.
Today, a report came out that Boston is interested in Wallace. So now people are speculating that Wallace has already decided on Boston and it is time to go elsewhere.
So now people are speculating that the Spurs are after Zaza Pachulia. Or is it Marcin Gortat? Oh yeah, Houston placed a phone call, so he's off the table.
People are on this roller coaster of who the Spurs may or may not get, and free agent season is less than 16 hours old. Nobody knows anything. Particular players are moving in and out of people's sights based upon nothing but baseless speculation. Hopes are rising and falling based on nothing. We won't know anything at all until teams announce player signings.
Summer is so freaking absurd.
HA! The Sheed is overated thread....
In that entire article the biggest part that I took from that was a lot truth in saying that playing in the East is a uva lot easier than playing the West. It's a dogfight in the West with a lot of good teams beating the snot out of each other day in and day out.
Is the West really that great anymore? This isn't two years ago when the 9 seed had 49 wins. Dallas, Houston, and New Orleans and Phoenix are all headed in reverse.
Hahaha.. we had to "settle" for Mason, when Cory Mag. signed elsewhere..... it all worked out for the Spurs...
It's not what it used to be. And thats why I think that article a couple posts up is crap. In the West you have LA, San Antonio, and maaaybe Denver as "major threats." Dallas, New Orleans, Utah, Phx are all a notch lower. In the East for sure you have Orlando, Cleveland with LeBron AND Shaq now, and the "big 3" in Boston. Also a young up and coming Hawks team and even D-Wade in Miami, a rising Chicago team as well. In my opinion the East may be better overall than the West right now....
What does this guy know about basketball?Wallace won't be coming to San Antonio
Who the is that re ?
July 1, 2:41 PM
On your mark. Get set. Eh.
The NBA free agent carnival began last night at midnight (EST) but there’s no reason to rush. While teams and players can start negotiating, they’ll have to wait till July 8th to get a deal done. It’s also the reopening of the trade window, where you should expect to see a few sign and trade deals.
With teams like Atlanta, Detroit, Toronto, Memphis, Sacramento and Oklahoma City dangling cap space – only the Pistons and Hawks are real playoff contenders.
But with next summer looming and free agent names like Lebron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh expected to be available; teams won’t be spending for the sake of spending.
Carlos Boozer, for example, may have calculated that there will be more options a season from now and he’s probably right. Earlier proclaiming that he would opt out of the final year of a deal paying him over $12 million, Boozer will stay in Utah for another season.
The names getting the most love this offseason are Hedo Turkoglu, Ben Gordon, Jason Kidd and Rasheed Wallace. Reports have Toronto, Portland and Detroit all coveting Turkoglu. If he wants to win a championship, he’ll resign with Orlando.
Gordon, who sought a multi-year deal last offseason, originally turned down Chicago’s 6-year, $59 million dollar offer and ultimately signed a one-year tender for just over $6 million. Gordon will be lucky to get a similar multi-year deal that he scoffed at a season ago considering both the economy and the number of teams with cap space.
Gordon either has terrible management or has a terribly inflated idea of his value. He’s a decent player and good scorer who will never make an All Star team. Oh yeah, that’s worth $10 million in the NBA (see below).
Kidd is trying to get a ring. Or so he says. While Dallas has the inside track and there are talks about New York, the Lakers may be his most intriguing suitor. With Orlando, Boston, Cleveland and San Antonio reloading, LA is just trying to hang onto Lamar Odom and Trevor Ariza to stay in the mix. Realistically, Dallas does not have enough ammo to compete for the NBA Championship but they can probably offer Kidd the most money. You'll know how serious Kidd is about a le if he goes anywhere other than LA.
As for Wallace, strap in Spurs’ fans, this will get dicey. It’s believed San Antonio, Orlando and Boston are at the top of the list to land the services of the 4-time All-Star. Despite some reporting the Spurs as the frontrunner, don’t count on it.
Didn’t Corey Maggette have San Antonio at the top of his list last year, too?
That was until Golden State gave him a 5-year deal worth nearly $50 million. Maggette is not quite the scorer that Gordon is but he’s a better all around talent who can play a couple of positions.
Regardless, the Warriors’ offer took the Spurs out of the discussion before settling for Roger Mason.
While Mason was a good value signing, he’s not near the talent of a Corey Maggette. But he was the right price.
With Kevin Garnett personally seeking out Wallace, expect Boston to steal the mercurial power forward forcing San Antonio to plan B, which some speculate will involve Wallace’s Detroit teammate Antonio McDyess. Whether it's plan B, C or D it'll be surprising to see Wallace choose the Spurs over Garnett or Orlando. In either case, he'll make about the same money and play in a much easier conference.
You can take a night off in the East and make the playoffs, the West is a different animal.
Regardless, expect more speculation over the next week, including here, as the top tier teams in the league jockey for that one player they think can take them over the top. Expect others, including Allen Iverson, waiting by the window.
Players like David Lee, Charlie Villanueva and Marcin Gortat will garner more league-wide interest than AI, whose best option might be to reunite with former coach Larry Brown in Charlotte.
Despite the economy and history of free agency, teams will be shopping this summer. They always do.
There's also always a line of guys that will play for $5 million, too - especially when they realize they can't get more. This is one of those seasons.
Even in major pro sports the money is drying up and the smart teams are looking for values, discounts and team fits -- first.
http://www.examiner.com/x-14479-San-Antonio-Spurs-Examiner~y2009m7d1-Wallace-wont-be-coming-to-San-Antonio
Don't forget Portland. They're still rising.
Utah's probably peaked already.
I agree that a lot that free agency is still pretty young and we don't know anything yet but doesn't all of the reports coming out today point to the C's being more aggressive than the Spurs with Sheed? I'd feel better if I saw the Spurs or Duncan had some sort of communication with him right now. Or if I had a shot of tequila.
If it comes down to MLE for McDyess for 2 years
vs.
MLE for Wallace for 3 or 4 years
Give me McDyess every time. I want no part of paying a 39/40 year old Rasheed 6 million dollars to be disgruntled.
Don't forget Portland is up and coming. Dallas/Utah don't have championship teams but they are still going to be strong. Rockets without Yao (if they re-sign Artest) took the Lakers to 7 games. They're still in the division.
Let's all have a few shots of tequila and FA will make alot more sense. hahaha
The reports today indicate the C's being more aggressive in communicating their contact with Sheed to the media.
The Spurs are not an open book.
Relax.
There are currently 7 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 7 guests)
Posting Permissions
