We're not getting him...just a gut feeling.
In through the nose... out through the mouth... It's going to be a long weekend.
We're not getting him...just a gut feeling.
Nah...I'm taking my daughter to see Ice Age tomorrow. I won't think about it a bit.
I have a lot more faith in McDyess being able to contribute more over a longer time frame. I don't want McDyess for 3 years either, but better him than Wallace.
See, with McDyess, you don't have to make excuses.
With Rasheed, it's EXCUSE-CITY. "Oh, he wasn't declining last year, he was just disinterested on a losing team!" , "Oh, he may have quit on his team in the playoffs repeatedly, but that's just because he wants to win so badly!" , "Oh, he quits on coaches, but that's not his fault. With a real coach he'll get it together!" , "Oh, he just took bad brick 3s because the offense was so discombobulated without Chauncey" , "Oh, he was unable to move his feet on defense like he was 5 years ago because he wasn't motivated enough!" , "Oh, sure he's fat now, but if he was with the Spurs he'd get in shape!"
Everybody goes out of their way to make excuses for the guy. And I haven't even brought up technicals!
McDyess is a no-excuse kind of player. A Professional. He was in the same garbage situations, bad coaches, bad trades, bad match-ups, and he wasn't quitting and letting himself go shape-wise.
Luckily I have plans to take my boys to a swim party tomorrow; otherwise, I'd be obsessing over it.
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This could be the kicker. I doubt Wallace wants to be a backup and fight for minutes with the rest of the frontcourt in Boston. Here, I'd say his starting job is guaranteed.
I've got the same feeling.
Same, but with the way the offseason has gone I just don't know anymore
If he is really friends with Garnett that could make the difference. But if he thinks he'll get more playing time in S.A. that could be the one thing working for us.
You make some good posts, but this is not one of them.
Article 1: Sheed was in a contract year, so YES, it was in his interests to play at his peak. He has declined physically, and that is hurting his effort.
Article 2: How can you say that Sheed is an upgrade over Big Shot of 3 years ago? 4 years ago Horry embarrassed Sheed in the biggest game of the season with everything on the line. Horry was ultra-clutch, Sheed has never proven anything of the sort. Very bad comparison.
I am not utterly opposed to Sheed, I just think Dice is a better fit and has more in the tank. If Sheed comes here for 2 yrs at the MLE, fine, but I'd take Dice first. Apart from a few extra feet of range, and a small edge in post defence, Dice is the better player at this stage in their careers.
Thanks!. So it seems we are going to have to wait till next week for a decision. Well at least he's coming here and didnt just join that Celtics bandwagon the 1st chance he got!
assuming the spurs have wallace as their top guy they can offer three years and a starting role which could be enough to get him here. but that is if they really covet him that much.
It's hard to look good in a contract year when your floor-general/point-guard is traded and given up for someone like Iverson who's not only, not a point-guard, but completely kills the chemistry of the team by forcing the teams leading scorer to the bench because of his ego.
Look, Rasheed was an all-world/all-star caliber talent in his prime, but he's never had the mentality of a dominant player. I've made this point before, but he's a complimentary player who can make very good teams great, but not bad teams good.
And yeah, he's a better player than Horry. I'm not sure how you can rationalize a great unexpected overall performance by a role player in a game, to being a better player.
Horry is probably one of my favorite players and definitely one of the smartest players the Spurs have ever had, but he was never the all-around player that 'Sheed is/was. Great versatlie defensive-player in his prime, but not overall player.
Horry's BBIQ was higher than 'Sheed's but the difference in their I.Q.'s is less than the difference in 'Sheed's overall game to Horry's.
And even if you don't think 'Sheed at 35 is better than Horry at 35, you'd be ignorant to say they weren't comparable, and if that's the case, I'd love to see 'Sheed have the chance to play off of players like Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, and Jefferson.
I'm not saying I'd want 'Sheed taking a game-winning shot over Horry, but I'd definitely feel more comfortable with him filling in for Tim on a given night or defending a true big in the post.
Blackjack, I understand your argument, I simply don't agree with you.
Objective sums up Sheed very well - it's always people making excuses for him:
Sheed is 35, has already declined physically, often makes bad decisions in the clutch, and we're talking about MLE for 3 years? Hmmmm, not if I was GM.
We are going to be playing high-pressure games against the best there is, and under those cir stances, which are the cir stances that matter, I want Horry every time.
Was Sheed more talented overall? Of course. Has Horry had a better career? By a long way. Why? He's a WINNER. Sheed's got one le sure, but Rob has won everywhere he's played.
I can see Sheed doing something stupid in game 5 of the 2010 finals and losing us the series, and that thought gives me the shivers. I'll take Dice every day, and twice for game 5 of the 2010 finals!
I hate these kind of arguments, because it makes me feel as if I've got to tear someone down that I'd never have any intention to.Blackjack, I understand your argument, I simply don't agree with you.
Objective sums up Sheed very well - it's always people making excuses for him:
Sheed is 35, has already declined physically, often makes bad decisions in the clutch, and we're talking about MLE for 3 years? Hmmmm, not if I was GM.
We are going to be playing high-pressure games against the best there is, and under those cir stances, which are the cir stances that matter, I want Horry every time.
Was Sheed more talented overall? Of course. Has Horry had a better career? By a long way. Why? He's a WINNER. Sheed's got one le sure, but Rob has won everywhere he's played.
I can see Sheed doing something stupid in game 5 of the 2010 finals and losing us the series, and that thought gives me the shivers. I'll take Dice every day, and twice for game 5 of the 2010 finals!
My point isn't to say I think 'Sheed is the be all end all, just for what this team needs, and at this particular "win now" time, you're not going to do any better.
The Horry comparison was one of convenience because of the skillset's they possess, and how it's a proven winner in this system.
Look at it this way..
Take the team from '05. You've got a Manu who played arguably his best ball down the stretch, you've got a dominant (albeit gimpy) Tim, a Parker who again lost it in the finals, and an Horry who had maybe his best year as a Spur.
Now take the could be '09/'10 team.
You've got a Manu one year removed from his best season, who even if healthy has lost a step, but you also have R.J. on the roster who probably makes up for that step. Tim, still dominant but clearly losing a step, is still capable, but 'Sheed not only gives you an Horry-like player, he also helps Tim similarly in the way R.J. helps Manu. And Tony, well, it's night and day the player he is now to then.
My point is, Wallace fits the system and helps to ease the burden on Tim in ways no other free-agent can. 'Dyess, who I would want as a second-option, is not the defender to ease the burden on Tim when it comes to defending legit size, the way 'Sheed is.
And the notion that 'Sheed isn't an intelligent ball player and is someone who's going to cost you time-and-time again in the clutch, I simply disagree with.
Besides, you've got to get to those moments to succeed in those moments, and the way I see it?
'Sheed gives you the best chance, of the options available, to get through the type of bigs that the Spurs are going to have to get through to win a championship.
But in the words of the great Ron Burgundy," Agree to disagree."
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Yeah, agree to disagree.
You make a good argument (except for the comparison to Horry - Big Shot's defining characteristic was his clutchness, while Sheed's is not), and I agree that Sheed would be a good Spur, but I'll still take McDyess over him and I think that's the way the FO will go.
My main concern about Sheed is that last year he looked a lot slower, and he's 35 (turning 36) with a lot of miles. Can we afford to have him and Tim on the court together when neither can get out to cover shooters any more? Sure, Sheed is a very good post defender, but does he have the mobility to play in our system beside another mobility-challenged guy in Duncan? I'm not sure he does.
Dice is also turning 36, but a young 36 given that he missed much of the middle of his career with injury. He still looks mobile enough to get to the corner in our defensive scheme, and that's important. On offense, he also has a devastatingly good mid-range game, which compensates for Sheed's extra range (and Sheed has only shot 35% from 3 over his career anyway).
We shall see what happens. The bottom line is that I just hope we get one or the other, or we really are in trouble!
I can see Sheed doing something that helps the Spurs win Game 5. While his public persona with the refs is do ented, what is harder to find is how well respected he is to his teammates.
I recall a game in where him he was defending Tim and they collided heads, HARD. Most people probably think that what happens next is Rasheed lost his cool and berated Tim.
Nope, he checks Tim and asks him if he's okay. Taps fists, and then they go to compete.
That's a guy I want on my team. A rep can work against you, or as Bowen backers know, a team rep can work with you. That's why I feel with little uncertainty, that Rasheed here will be a boon both to him and the Spurs.
And that, is definitely something we can agree on.The bottom line is that I just hope we get one or the other, or we really are in trouble!
I never said he wasn't a good sport, which is what you just described.
But I seem to recall him leaving an open Big Shot Rob, who had already scored 18pts in 16.5minutes to finish the game, open behind the 3pt line in game 5 of the 2005 Finals. We all know what happened next.
Sheed may be a good sport, but he makes some terrible basketball decisions.
Those are my concerns as well.Yeah, agree to disagree.
My main concern about Sheed is that last year he looked a lot slower, and he's 35 (turning 36) with a lot of miles. Can we afford to have him and Tim on the court together when neither can get out to cover shooters any more? Sure, Sheed is a very good post defender, but does he have the mobility to play in our system beside another mobility-challenged guy in Duncan? I'm not sure he does.
And looking at his playoff run in 09, short as it was . . .
6.5 pts, 6.25 rebounds, 0.25 blocks in 30.5 minutes a game. Sure, he shot 50% on threes, going 4/8. But he only shot 32% on twos, 7/22.
6 & 6 in 30 minutes per, with a single block in 4 games? If the Spurs sign him, I sure as hope it was just him being disgruntled with the way the season went. Because if the wheels have started to fall off, a starting center rocking 6 & 6 with no shotblocking and limited mobility who will only get worse is worrisome.
Sure, the games weren't really close, so maybe that's another excuse for Rasheed.
But McDyess in the same unfortunate situation being outmatched by a much better team played 34 minutes a game with 13 pts, 8.5 rebounds, 0.75 blocks and shot 52%.
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