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I like Mirotic and Snell. If I was rc, id be shopping the out of my 2016 draft picks.Manu and Tim gone, Parker old. Those picks could fetch enough talent to make sure those picks aren't very high.
have you ever heard of a trojan horse?
I like Mirotic and Snell. If I was rc, id be shopping the out of my 2016 draft picks.Manu and Tim gone, Parker old. Those picks could fetch enough talent to make sure those picks aren't very high.
, those picks don't even have to fetch enough talent. Make leonard happy, bring over the developing players to develop. forget bonners and dayes. the picks won't be very high anyway.
It's unlikely they do anything and if they do, it's more than likely going to be something minor. Somebody who's on an expiring contract and if they're a possible fringe rotation type, someone with a high enough IQ that they think could pick up the basics of the system quickly enough to not look out of place.
Add it all up and Ayres and Daye for Kirilenko checks every box. He's out of their rotation and obviously not in their plans, so saving some money and ridding themselves of a probable malcontent would probably appeal to them. Sure, he's had back issues since signing with them and might be on his last legs, but this would be no risk, potential minor reward.
Sorry I posted something like this in the wrong section...I also see Kirilenko like an ideal fit to our team so early in the season.
If we decide to go full with IQ instead of developing young people, trade for Kirilenko and then signing Lorbeck could be an early, immediate chance to grow the chance of a real deep rotation for bigs.
AK is totally out of BK's rotation.
If SA could grab him, it would be awesome, especially if they can get rid of Ayres + Daye in the process. BK has no reason to trade him for a pile of like Ayres + Daye though. Saving 400k is nothing for them. SA would have to include something to entice them. I wouldn't include a 1st round pick at this point of AK's career, but I would be ok with a couple of 2nds or the rights of some stashed players.
That 400K would be multiplied several times over, though, considering all the luxury tax penalties Brooklyn is paying. Plus, it's better to have young pieces that can actually contribute than a past-his-prime vet who isn't even with the team.
Yeah, but they still have no reason to do it without a better incentive. They have no room for 2 scrubs like Ayres and Daye.
If they can find a taker for a TPE, they save more than 10m in tax money and it's way better than taking both Ayres and Daye.
I think that the best case for SA is AK going to the 76ers for a TPE + something and the 76ers buying him out. SA sign him for the min for the rest of the season, just like they did with Boris.
There's absolutely no downside about it.
I brought this idea up a couple of months ago, but what do people think about a trade for Jose Calderon? I'm pretty sure that Calderon and Early for Beli and Ayres works financially.
For the Knicks, it would actually save them a ton of money when you account for what they'd save in taxes this year and what they'd save in cap space over the next two years. They'd also be able to either keep or flip Beli later in the year for some slight value. Probably worth giving up Early for that.
For the Spurs, they'd get a legit backup PG who's big enough to play the two next to Mills. He doesn't turn the ball over while getting a decent number of assists, and he's a knock-down shooter. In other words, he can play both on and off the ball rather well. They'd also get a decent SF prospect to go with their gut of potential backups for Leonard. Cleathony would be the scoring specialist of the group, and such a player is probably needed next to Anderson and Mills (and whoever wins out of LJC and Bertans). I'm not high on Early, but he's not guaranteed, so if he doesn't work out he can be cut rather easily.
Calderon makes almost $8M, is 6'3" (not big enough to play with Mills), is 33 years old with two more years left on his contract, and plays no defense at all.
The Spurs system doesn't require a "true PG" in any real sense, either starting or on the bench unit. Taking on an old, expensive, no defense one is a bad idea.
i'm not high on calderon, either. i think cojo is gone, either by free agency or trade. mills will still be around as a veteran point guard. i think the next point guard to come to town will be a young fella.
calderon might be an interesting piece to have behind Rose?
Bonner, Cojo, one of those post Tim, Manu 2nds for Marcus Smart? Whatever cap filler to square that up be what it would.
Every bit as unrealistic as Cojo for Lavine. Teams, especially rebuilding teams, aren't going to give up players that they just drafted, and have under rookie contracts for 4 years, for one that is about to be a free agent
Did someone hack Chinook's account?
Seriously, you made the case for months that the Spurs shouldn't extend Kawhi in order to maximize cap space for the summer of 2015. The Spurs did exactly that. Acquiring Calderon sucks up all or most of the potential cap space saved by delaying a Leonard signing.
I think Chinook is probably thinking the cap space plan may be delayed..But cap space aside, I wouldn't bail the Knicks out for that cheap. Plus, with Mills/CJ/Manu I don't see the need to add another questionable defender just because he's better off the ball than CJ. He's a better player than CJ no doubt, but when combined the cap space issue, I wouldn't do that.
I am also considering a (very likely) scenario in which the Spurs aren't able to land a star in free agency and instead have to settle for multiple mid-tier FAs. To that end, I've proposed several trades over the past couple months for players (Kevin Martin and Ilyasova for example) who have two more years on their deals. Those players would expire in 2017 when the next cap window would be open. The team may end up having to sign guys of that caliber anyway. The benefit of trading for one of them this season is that it would help now as well as in the future.
Maximizing cap space was the right move, but that doesn't mean that the team has to go all out a max player if they can get some really good players for less. Also, I'm not sure the Spurs will even have a max slot next summer. Most of our old calculations did not account for Green at more than $6 Million or so. It's possible the Spurs won't even be able to join the sweepstakes next summer.
Calderon's contract is why he'd be available in the first place. I don't see much of a reason why he would be worse on defense than Beli. He plays the two-guard a lot in New York, and in Dallas he played next to a much smaller guard and checked twos often. 6-3 in today's NBA is decent SG height. As far as contract length goes, he'd expire in 2017, so it's really not a big deal. The Spurs could probably afford Jose and Millsap, for example. The only concern is his age, but since I see the team kinda going through a retooling rather than rebuild, it's not really a big deal. The Spurs will be an older team in 2015 than a lot of people anticipate.
Of course it does. There are times where the offense just runs itself, but the extent to which that happens and the frequency at which it works is overstated. If you think the bench doesn't need Ginobili's play-making, I don't know what games you've been watching. In any event, Calderon is an elite shooter, so he'd benefit from a free-flowing offense as much as anyone would. Also, when he does run an offense, he's great at it, which is important.The Spurs system doesn't require a "true PG" in any real sense, either starting or on the bench unit.
My first proposal was Calderon and swap of firsts this year for Beli/Ayres. But Jose has better value than that. I don't think the Knicks will have to give up all that much to get rid of him, especially now that Jackson is at the helm. As far as small assets go, I'd probably prefer Acy to Early, since I love the way Quincy plays. But Early has more years under team control and is therefore the better asset.
1. I was going for humor with the bit about a hacked account. Hopefully that came through.
2. I was saying that rolling the cap window over until 2017 was a strong possibility months before the Diaw, Mills, and Parker deals so you know that I fully understand everything you just said. Max cap space in 2015 always has seemed to be a mirage to me.
3. Given that they made the decision to delay the Leonard signing, I'd want any trade that significantly impacts 2015 cap space to bring back a better deal than Calderon at 2yrs/15M.
Yup - The main reason I believe cap space in 2015 to be serious thing is because of the delay with Leonard. That to me shows it's more than a pipe dream (although, regardless of cap space, I personally believed letting him hit RFA was the smart thing to do).
But, getting the Knicks first round pick may be worth it. That should be a very good pick and with a rebuild coming up, that lottery level cheap talent could be huge.
1 - Totally came through.
2 - Yep, I realize that as well.
3 - Again, delaying Leonard's signing can be beneficial even if the Spurs don't get a max player. Think of it this way: The Spurs would have about the same amount of 2015 cap space after trading for Calderon than they would if they extended Leonard. So the team would essentially be getting Jose for free. There may be better $8M/year players out there, but the logic of signing or trading for any of them is the same.
I'll totally have to finish my draft of the salary thread, but I'm almost positive the Spurs don't have a max slot available next summer under current assumptions. That's especially true if Green continues to play above what most people had estimated for this next contract. No way the team should let Danny walk to chase FAs.
Doesn't have to be max for me to still care about the cap space though (IMO). Even if it's below max and even if Danny plays his way into a 9M a year deal, they can still have a nice chunk of cap space they will neeed if Tim/Manu retire. Calderon would eat up a nice chunk of that and he's just not worth it at any level.
I'm on board with not having to spend a max deal even if you have the space and getting quality players, but Calderon to me isn't worth it.
Plus, an added wrinkle: Spurs have never been able to really win out on getting FA's to take paycuts to come to SA, but that was always mid-tier (MLE) money guys. With having close to max money, I wonder if that level of FA with the promise of a huge role plus playing for Pop/with TP/Tiago/Kawhi/Danny would be willing to come. Especially if they have had some big contracts before.
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