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    I could see Simmons forcing his way but, I think Philly may opt to put Embid on the market and keep Simmons before it gets to that point. I am genuinely curious to see what offers a talented center with an injury risk and a high salary would bring on today's market though.
    I would say that Embiid and Lillard will command a large contract of a useful player or large expiring, two future lottery picks, and maybe a young talent. Simmons should command slightly higher--maybe one more pick or one more pick plus taking back a bad contract. That's guess work based on recent deals.

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    I would say that Embiid and Lillard will command a large contract of a useful player or large expiring, two future lottery picks, and maybe a young talent. Simmons should command slightly higher--maybe one more pick or one more pick plus taking back a bad contract. That's guess work based on recent deals.
    I agree that's what they will ask... on Embid, I'm just not sure anyone will pay it. I'm sure the others would bring that back in trade.

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    Watching the morning sports shows I saw a segment talking about how Zion and BI both need the ball and the Pelicans may want to move BI. Does anyone know if he can even be traded this summer since he's a pending RFA? And if so, what that could look like in terms of a team matching salary?

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    This is stupidly far fetched ... very stupidly far fetched .... but I'm at home, can't get to sleep, and I wanted to write it anyway.

    Trade Proposal :

    Portland
    1) LaMarcus Aldridge
    2) Darius Garland

    Orlando
    1) DeMar DeRozan
    2) Dante Exum

    Cleveland
    1) CJ McCullom
    2) Zach Collins
    3) Patty Mills
    4) 2nd round pick 2023 - Portland

    San Antonio
    1) Aaron Gordon
    2) Terrence Ross
    3) Mo Bamba
    4) Kevin Love
    5) Reclaim 2nd round pick 2022 from Cleveland

    Unknown - where the Spurs will land in the lottery for 2020 first round pick. How could it be used to make this deal work with Cleveland or Orlando? Cleveland has four 2nd round picks in 2022, potential first draft with HS and college players, and they can't afford to use them all. If the Spurs 1st round pick of 2020, after the draft lottery selection is over, can't secure Wiseman, Toppin, Edwards or Ball, then the Spurs should trade it to Cleveland. Would any other player other than those four have the potential to crack the Spurs rotation next year or be attractive as serious trade bait? I don't think so, and that's why I trade it to the Cavs. The Cavs then kick a second rounder or two to the Magic to grease the wheels.

    Portland - this is CJ McCullom's last year on his contract. Trade him now, put Simmons opposite Lillard, and by adding Garland, you get a floor general to run the second unit. It also gives Portland two young guards on rookie contracts contributing to offset Lillard's contract. They can also give Dame a break over a long season. If you resign Melo, he can come off the bench and be a contributor there since LMA would start. But this really gives Portland cap relief for the 2021 offseason when Aldridge will come off the books.

    Orlando - Magic get a scorer in DeRozan. Their offense needs it. To bring in someone like him, and have a chance to extend Fournier, who has a player option, as well, Aaron Gordon needs to be moved. Especially when you have Isaac, Aminu, and Okekee, waiting in the wings at your forward positions. Bamba has nowhere to go on this roster, he is only averaging around 15 minutes a night. Clifford isn't doing him any favors. Exum isn't the scorer Ross is, but with a 2nd unit of Carter-Williams, Exum, Iwundu, Okekee, and Birch, the Magic will be very young, have length, and be explosive in transition.

    Cleveland - Cavs get a true backcourt starter to pair with Sexton. McCullom will get his points which will help him if he wants to test FA in 2021 offseason. Mills gives the second unit a steady hand since Delli's contract expires, and with Mills and McCullom's contracts expiring next offseason, the Cavs will have over 35 million come off the books. Also, depending on what they do with Drummond, that cap space could grow. They can reshape their roster with no Kevin Love moving forward, could potentially get a 1st round pick from the Spurs in the process while only giving away 2nd rounders in return.

    Spurs - Pop wouldn't do this on a bet, and I don't give a . I've made my feelings plain, Pop needs to be moved now! Not tomorrow, not next offseason, now!! Removed from everything ... with complete ownership backing of his removal.

    Are Gordon and Love perfect? No, they aren't. But, they are better than what we have now and in the near future. Gordon is the true combo forward this team needs. He is still young! He needs to be more efficient, but he rebounds, defends, runs the floor, is a willing passer, and a capable, not great, 3 point shooter. Atleast he takes them. Love will be close to the same age LMA was when he arrived. But Love rebounds better, passes better, shots 3's better with more volume than LMA. Love just doesn't defend on the perimeter as well or have the blocking stats of Aldridge. But if the Spurs keep Poetlt as a defensive anchor, Love won't have that as his responsibility. Terrence Ross is a fantastic option off your bench, and who would be a better teacher for Mo Bamba and his potential then Tim Duncan? Bamba has the ability to shoot threes, dive to the rim, ally oop all day, and you can't teach 7'10 wingspan. What you can teach is patience, screen placement, and defensive positioning.

    Why do this trade? Who are the realistic Free Agents that the Spurs could get in 2021 that would be better than Gordon, Love, Bamba, and Ross? By doing this now, you have these players for the next 3 years minimum. Gordon's contract number lessens each year, you're paying Ross what Patty Mills received, and Ross does way more on the court than Patty, and if Bamba flames out, you don't extend him a qualifying offer when he is a RFA. Love will be 28 - 30 million for three years, but he will be your only big ticket salary until Gordon's contract is up after two years.

    Spurs 2020 - 2021 roster

    PG - Dejonte Murry, Derrick White
    SG - Lonnie Walker, Terrence Ross
    SF - Aaron Gordon, Keldon Johnson
    PF - Kevin Love, Trey Lyles
    C - Jakob Poetlt, Mo Bamba

    11 - 15
    Weatherspoon, Gay, Saminic, Metu, Eubanks

    This team would be young, athletic, work hard on the defensive end, capable and willing to shoot threes, and would have enough veteran leadership and experience to work with the youth to make everyone and everything work better! They will make their mistakes, but this Spurs team would be very entertaining and would give fans many reasons to come to games and root for this team!

    Like I said before, stupidly far fetched. I'm just hoping now I'm tired enough to get some sleep.

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    This is stupidly far fetched ... very stupidly far fetched .... but I'm at home, can't get to sleep, and I wanted to write it anyway.

    Trade Proposal :

    Portland
    1) LaMarcus Aldridge
    2) Darius Garland

    Orlando
    1) DeMar DeRozan
    2) Dante Exum

    Cleveland
    1) CJ McCullom
    2) Zach Collins
    3) Patty Mills
    4) 2nd round pick 2023 - Portland

    San Antonio
    1) Aaron Gordon
    2) Terrence Ross
    3) Mo Bamba
    4) Kevin Love
    5) Reclaim 2nd round pick 2022 from Cleveland

    Unknown - where the Spurs will land in the lottery for 2020 first round pick. How could it be used to make this deal work with Cleveland or Orlando? Cleveland has four 2nd round picks in 2022, potential first draft with HS and college players, and they can't afford to use them all. If the Spurs 1st round pick of 2020, after the draft lottery selection is over, can't secure Wiseman, Toppin, Edwards or Ball, then the Spurs should trade it to Cleveland. Would any other player other than those four have the potential to crack the Spurs rotation next year or be attractive as serious trade bait? I don't think so, and that's why I trade it to the Cavs. The Cavs then kick a second rounder or two to the Magic to grease the wheels.

    Portland - this is CJ McCullom's last year on his contract. Trade him now, put Simmons opposite Lillard, and by adding Garland, you get a floor general to run the second unit. It also gives Portland two young guards on rookie contracts contributing to offset Lillard's contract. They can also give Dame a break over a long season. If you resign Melo, he can come off the bench and be a contributor there since LMA would start. But this really gives Portland cap relief for the 2021 offseason when Aldridge will come off the books.

    Orlando - Magic get a scorer in DeRozan. Their offense needs it. To bring in someone like him, and have a chance to extend Fournier, who has a player option, as well, Aaron Gordon needs to be moved. Especially when you have Isaac, Aminu, and Okekee, waiting in the wings at your forward positions. Bamba has nowhere to go on this roster, he is only averaging around 15 minutes a night. Clifford isn't doing him any favors. Exum isn't the scorer Ross is, but with a 2nd unit of Carter-Williams, Exum, Iwundu, Okekee, and Birch, the Magic will be very young, have length, and be explosive in transition.

    Cleveland - Cavs get a true backcourt starter to pair with Sexton. McCullom will get his points which will help him if he wants to test FA in 2021 offseason. Mills gives the second unit a steady hand since Delli's contract expires, and with Mills and McCullom's contracts expiring next offseason, the Cavs will have over 35 million come off the books. Also, depending on what they do with Drummond, that cap space could grow. They can reshape their roster with no Kevin Love moving forward, could potentially get a 1st round pick from the Spurs in the process while only giving away 2nd rounders in return.

    Spurs - Pop wouldn't do this on a bet, and I don't give a . I've made my feelings plain, Pop needs to be moved now! Not tomorrow, not next offseason, now!! Removed from everything ... with complete ownership backing of his removal.

    Are Gordon and Love perfect? No, they aren't. But, they are better than what we have now and in the near future. Gordon is the true combo forward this team needs. He is still young! He needs to be more efficient, but he rebounds, defends, runs the floor, is a willing passer, and a capable, not great, 3 point shooter. Atleast he takes them. Love will be close to the same age LMA was when he arrived. But Love rebounds better, passes better, shots 3's better with more volume than LMA. Love just doesn't defend on the perimeter as well or have the blocking stats of Aldridge. But if the Spurs keep Poetlt as a defensive anchor, Love won't have that as his responsibility. Terrence Ross is a fantastic option off your bench, and who would be a better teacher for Mo Bamba and his potential then Tim Duncan? Bamba has the ability to shoot threes, dive to the rim, ally oop all day, and you can't teach 7'10 wingspan. What you can teach is patience, screen placement, and defensive positioning.

    Why do this trade? Who are the realistic Free Agents that the Spurs could get in 2021 that would be better than Gordon, Love, Bamba, and Ross? By doing this now, you have these players for the next 3 years minimum. Gordon's contract number lessens each year, you're paying Ross what Patty Mills received, and Ross does way more on the court than Patty, and if Bamba flames out, you don't extend him a qualifying offer when he is a RFA. Love will be 28 - 30 million for three years, but he will be your only big ticket salary until Gordon's contract is up after two years.

    Spurs 2020 - 2021 roster

    PG - Dejonte Murry, Derrick White
    SG - Lonnie Walker, Terrence Ross
    SF - Aaron Gordon, Keldon Johnson
    PF - Kevin Love, Trey Lyles
    C - Jakob Poetlt, Mo Bamba

    11 - 15
    Weatherspoon, Gay, Saminic, Metu, Eubanks

    This team would be young, athletic, work hard on the defensive end, capable and willing to shoot threes, and would have enough veteran leadership and experience to work with the youth to make everyone and everything work better! They will make their mistakes, but this Spurs team would be very entertaining and would give fans many reasons to come to games and root for this team!

    Like I said before, stupidly far fetched. I'm just hoping now I'm tired enough to get some sleep.
    I'm impressed by the effort it took to come up with that...rest well...

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    Been seeing these trade options:

    1)
    Portland - LMA

    Spurs - Ariza, Nurkic

    2)
    Orlando - DeRozan

    Spurs - AG, Aminu

    Draft picks can be included, but I don't involve 1st round picks for either trade unless it's a swap of positions. Give away the 2nd round picks in 2020, 2023. These trades offer interesting line ups.

    DJM, DW
    LW4, KJ
    Ariza, Aminu
    AG, Metu
    Nurkic, Lyles

    11 - 15
    Patty, Gay, Eubanks, QW, open spot.

    Austin:
    Luka, 1st rd pick 2020

    Poeltl would either walk or sign and trade to team with cap space. But those line ups are young, great defensive potential, 3pt shooting potential, whoever gets the rebound can turn and run the break, and you'll see what combination of your young guards works best.

    Expired contracts of Mills, Gay, Ariza, and Carroll salaries 2021 offseason = 46.7 mil to pay your own players or use on free agents. All of that would be very interesting to watch. Especially with someone else besides Pop calling the shots for that roster.

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