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Same may ultimately be said about the NBA season, so perhaps that isn't a pressing concern -- especially with our sudden depth at the 3 in the event the lock-out happens to conclude before Kleiza has fully recovered.
^ Kleiza has had a big knee surgery last February. He is out for 9-12 months. it will be hard to expect some kind of production from him in 2011-2012.
Same may ultimately be said about the NBA season, so perhaps that isn't a pressing concern -- especially with our sudden depth at the 3 in the event the lock-out happens to conclude before Kleiza has fully recovered.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=3baoeu9
Gasol 18pps 10rpg long with good defense
Duncan
Artest- Tough, great defense. 35% 3PTFG
Ginobili
Stuckey 15ppg 5apg Ispg Finished the season on a tear averaging 25pts 9ast in his last 5 games.
Thats solid. Going from an undersized front court to a tall, strong, defensive front court
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=3tgnefy
McGee 10ppg 8rpg 2.4bpg
Duncan
Dudley 11ppg 4rpg 1 spg 41% 3pfg
Manu
Nash 15ppg 11apg 40% 3pfg
Frontcourt gains size and defense and rebounding and presence, get one of the best distributers and shooters in history and a very solid SF who can hit the corner 3 ball and defense.
Neither Detroit or Washington does either of those trades. In fact, I think they hang up the phone, and get all future calls blocked.
rj + cash + pick or prospect to Minnesota for Webster and A. Randolph works salary wise.
they dont want anymore prospects. they want vets. so maybe a 2nd round pick or 2. dont want the spurs to give up a 1st round pick just to move RJ. but this is Kahn we are talking about so maybe they take rj straight up for webster & randolph or tolliver.
this is one of a few realistic trades that would make us better but i would rather move blair than anderson.
Tp/neal
anderson/manu
Kawhi/webster
randolph/splitter/bonner
TD/Darko/mcdyess
and then a signing of a cheap PG like Carlos arroyo or telfair for insurance and they can push open the window for 1 last season before they enter the dreaded rebuild mode.
I like the trade, but I see minny more interested in eliminating big contracts...they will probably prefer to trade Beasley (and all his weed problems) than randolph, that has a "good" contract...
I can see a deal as the following
RJ+Dice contract+DSButler+Blair for Beasley + Webster+ Milicic(Pekovic)
it works on the nba trade machine...
than we have :
Parker-Neal-Joseph
Anderson-Manu-Green
Leonard-Webster-x
Duncan-Beasley-Bonner
Splitter-Milicic(Pekovic)-Richards
This guy beat you to the punch (4th post) . . . http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...php?p=5339918&
Two things that should be changed in that post. 1) Johnson's final season is $5 million guaranteed, which brings the total guaranteed money remaining to $23 million. That doesn't include his 5% trade kicker and performance bonuses, which he's unlikely to attain. 2) Kleiza only has 3 years and just over $13.5 million remaining on his contract. The final season is a player option, but considering how overpaid he is, it would be an upset of epic proportions were he not to exercise it.
I wouldn't be surprised if this is not only the most likely trade, but the only trade. If they can't pull it off, I could see them standing pat, for the simple fact that I don't see another realistic trade that makes sense on so many levels.
Two more reasons why the Raptors might make this trade. 1) Colangelo is not afraid to make big trades and take chances. 2) Colanegelo only got a two year extension, with a mandate to start winning.
Bruno, Kleiza's injury is irrelevant, he's just a necessary evil in the trade. The value lies in getting rid of Jefferson and acquiring Johnson. If he's not ready to go to start the season, then that's more minutes for the young guys. If he is ready, he'd probably start, at least until or unless Leonard showed he was ready to start.
Johnson/Bonner
Kleiza/Leonard/Butler
Duncan/Splitter
Ginobili/Anderson
Parker/Neal/Joseph
Add in a fifth big (Shelden Williams?) and a depth PG (Ivey?) and they'd be set.
IDK i still believe that there are possible trades to move RJ to minnie or the clippers. trade to toronto does seems most likely but Kahn is in idiot and the clippers front office isnt much better.
I don't see a logical trade with the Timberwolves. Kahn has said they'd like to get some veterans, but I don't see them trading Randolph, unless they can get an upgrade at C or a wing scorer. Milicic is a plodding C, which is not what the Spurs are looking for.
The Clippers, maybe. But only if they don't sign Prince, Battier, Hill, Butler or Kirilenko. Unfortunately, there's no reason to think they won't.
Those thinking up trade proposals that include plodding C's are ignoring what Pop/Buford said and how the game is played today. Only one team essentially plays two C's together and that's the Lakers. They've done it in recent years because Gasol could defend PF's and because he and Bynum have been a dominating, overwhelming combination. Even they're not immune to the issues that comes with that though, as evidenced by the Mavs series. And it'll only become a more glaring issue as Gasol ages.
The only way the Spurs join them as the second team to play two C's together, is if they fail to acquire the type of PF they covet and come to the obvious conclusion that Splitter is the best in house option to start. If that comes to fruition, I could see them taking a flier on someone like Clark to be the fifth big.
There is room. Kahn has talked about Randolph essentially playing backup C against most teams. That would leave the forward minutes to be split between Love, Beasley and Williams. Short of a trade that would fill one of their two needs, such as the Nets accepting Williams/Milicic for Lopez or the Pacers accepting Williams/Pekovic for Granger, look for them to build around Love, Williams, Milicic and Randolph on the front line. They'd probably like to move Beasley, who's redundant and Pekovic, who there's no room for.
Nelson probably won't get the job. He's old, expensive and clearly hasn't cared for years. They'll probably go cheap.
Whether Milicic is slightly quicker than Duncan or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is the fact that he can't defend PF's. If they're not thrilled with playing Splitter next to Duncan, then there's zero chance they pair him with a plodder.
They've barely had a chance to make moves and they won't have a chance to again until the lockout is over.
So was Pachulia, O'Neal, Noah, Varejao, Mahinmi, Andersen, Wallace, Biedrins, Okafor, Turiaf, Perkins, Howard, Camby, Splitter, Bargnani, Jefferson, Okur and Thomas. All of them now play C, some out of necessity, but most because of how the game has evolved over the past decade.
Milicic is 7-1, 275. In today's game, there's no way he can defend PF's on a consistent basis, even if he does move well for his size. Milicic had success against Duncan last season because of his declining mobility and the fact that he's 2 inches smaller and 20 pounds lighter. In other words, Duncan has no physical advantage over him. In his salad days, he'd have had Milicic in foul trouble early and often.
Kahn is an idiot, no question, but he's also their GM, so I'll take his word for it when he says Randolph is going to play a lot of backup C. Obviously, he won't be defending the Howard's and Bynum's of the world, but at 6-11, 225, if he adds 5-10 pounds this off season, he'd be virtually the same size as Noah, Mahinmi, Andersen, Biedrins, Camby, Splitter, etc. And with the way the game is played today, he can definitely be a full time PF.
They don't like it for the lack of spacing and because they don't seem to view Splitter as someone who can consistently defend PF's.
even if the Spurs did have a big hole at C, I wouldn't want Milicic. this guy is just dumb. (I rather take Pekovic, if the Wolves want to get rid of a center). he is one of the least efficient offensive players in the league (it's a bit of a myth that he can shoot. he hits them ocassionally and it looks nice, but overall his output is below average.) and 3 years / 15 million left isn't a great deal either. however, I agree that he isn't an option for the 4 and only has some value as a defensive 5.
Randolph would be a very intriguing thing. he might never get his together, but he still offers that kind of potential, that would be worth the risk. considering what he showed on some occasions at the end of last season (like a 31-11 game vs the Mavs or a 24-15 game vs. the Thunder) I'm not sure the Wolves see him as redundant, even with Williams comming in. and if they wanted to trade him, they will get better offers than what the Spurs have to offer.
rj & bonner for rip & wilcox
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3qzmhre
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Spurs sending cash in a deal with anyone for any reason?
Who is Caveman? Robin Lopez?
I thought he meant Chris Kaman who would be a welcome addition for sure. Big body, plays defense... Not sure what his contract status is or that they would take RJ's contract back. Would suck to lose Blair's energy but Kawhi should provide a lot. That is, if Pop actually plays him.
Who cares, the Spurs have no shot at a le. Sad but True
Phew I thought Russo was back posting about his unrealistic trades.
Okay so, who is Caveman?
Chris Kaman
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