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    See, this is to what you and ChumpDumper resort when you don't have an argument.

    Neither of you have yet made the case for why her statement isn't racist.
    see....this is what you do when i ask a simple question.

    you adopt someone else's opinions and end up wrong and out on so many issues.

    will she be confirmed......yes or no?

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    see....this is what you do when i ask a simple question.

    you adopt someone else's opinions and end up wrong and out on so many issues.

    will she be confirmed......yes or no?
    That's unknowable at this point.

    Was her statement racist...yes or no?

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    That the statement isn't racist is obviously apparent to anyone who is intelligent enough to know that "hope" and "expect" are two different words.

    We can't make you less stupid, Yoni.

    Or less racist.

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    That the statement isn't racist is obviously apparent to anyone who is intelligent enough to know that "hope" and "expect" are two different words.

    We can't make you less stupid, Yoni.

    Or less racist.
    Well, Gibbs says she regrets using the word. Why?

    And, other than posting the entire racist speech, you've just contended it's not racist. Why isn't it? How is it self-evident? Even if the word "hope" is used as you suggest?

    Now, you have to explain why I'm racist.

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    man, don't you ever tire of going for the reach?

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    man, don't you ever tire of going for the reach?
    Why is it a reach?

    You've yet to explain, in the context of that speech, why her statement isn't racist. It either expects or hopes that a Latina woman would make better decisions than a white man.

    , it's sexist too.

    So, tell me, in what context is that not a discriminatory racial and/or gender preference statement?

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    you're gonna look silly when she gets confirmed.

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    Well, Gibbs says she regrets using the word. Why?
    Because idiots would try to call it racist.

    And, other than posting the entire racist speech, you've just contended it's not racist. Why isn't it? How is it self-evident? Even if the word "hope" is used as you suggest?
    Now you don't know what self-evident means.

    Now, you have to explain why I'm racist.
    Did Sotomayor yell at you at a gas station?

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    you're gonna look silly when she gets confirmed.
    Why? I think, right now, the odds are in her favor. I've never said otherwise.

    But, confirmation hearings are a bit down the road...

    Another crack...

    SPIN METER: Sotomayor has conflicting images

    So, now, it's being suggested her image is a bit embellished.

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    Seriously, you are trying to destroy this woman on one throwaway three second sound bite and two court decisions that did nothing but follow the law as written.

    It's not working.

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    Why? I think, right now, the odds are in her favor. I've never said otherwise.

    But, confirmation hearings are a bit down the road...

    Another crack...

    SPIN METER: Sotomayor has conflicting images

    So, now, it's being suggested her image is a bit embellished.


    Now you are trying to attack her for being successful!

    Class warfare!

    God, this is hilarious.

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    Now you are trying to attack her for being successful!

    Class warfare!

    God, this is hilarious.
    “Sotomayor did not live her entire childhood in a housing project in the South Bronx — she spent most of her teenage years in a middle-class neighborhood, attending private school and winning scholarships to Princeton and then Yale. And Sotomayor’s life and lifestyle after law school largely resemble the background of many lawyers who rise to powerful positions in Washington.” But there’s also this: “Her ethnic consciousness was apparent in the earliest days of her career, in the New York City prosecutor’s office.”

    Her formative years -- "most of her teenage years" -- were spent in a middle-class neighborhood; meaning, unlike what the President said, she wasn't "raised" in the projects.

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    teenage years are not considered to be childhood.

    ask any teenager.

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    teenage years are not considered to be childhood.

    ask any teenager.
    No, but they are considered to be formative years, those during which you are raised...

    Look, you guys head off in another semantics rant, if you want, the fact remains, unlike Clarence Thomas who probably identifies with abject poverty on a level Sotomayor could never imagine, she spent her early years in the projects and then, moved up to the middle-class and private schools.

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    God damn her for winning scholarships and being successful.
    Sorry her family was more upwardly mobile than yours is.

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    are you saying she is less qualified than thomas who has skated by by doing nothing for ....how many years is it?

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    Would it be bothersome if a nominee had an ethnic consciousness that favored whites?

    Would it be bothersome if a nominee had a religious consciousness that affected his or her views on issues that might come before a court?

    Frankly, it seems a pretty thin reed to question Judge Sotomayor if all you have is a single phrase lifted from an obviously neutral speech and a single decision as to which (a) she is not demonstrably the author; and (b) the conclusion is in keeping with principles of judicial restraint and adherence to the law.

    For crissakes, Judge Sotomayor is clearly unqualified because, as Ricci shows, she's simply not enough of a judicial activist!!!!

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    Would it be bothersome if a nominee had an ethnic consciousness that favored whites?

    Would it be bothersome if a nominee had a religious consciousness that affected his or her views on issues that might come before a court?

    Frankly, it seems a pretty thin reed to question Judge Sotomayor if all you have is a single phrase lifted from an obviously neutral speech and a single decision as to which (a) she is not demonstrably the author; and (b) the conclusion is in keeping with principles of judicial restraint and adherence to the law.

    For crissakes, Judge Sotomayor is clearly unqualified because, as Ricci shows, she's simply not enough of a judicial activist!!!!
    Why be activist on a decision with which you agree with the discriminatory outcome?

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    Why be activist on a decision with which you agree with the discriminatory outcome?
    Huh?

    I thought the thing you guys wanted was judges who follow the law.

    Here's a judge who followed the law and now you don't like her because doing so created a result that you disagree with. Which is it? Do you want judges who follow the law? Or do you want judges who make policy from the bench by disregarding the law?

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    Why be activist on a decision with which you agree with the discriminatory outcome?
    Why follow the law at all if you disagree with it?

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    Why follow the law at all if you disagree with it?
    That would seem to be her position...well, except it would be more accurate to say, "why follow the law at all if you disagree with its effect on those with whom you empathize?"

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    Huh?

    I thought the thing you guys wanted was judges who follow the law.

    Here's a judge who followed the law and now you don't like her because doing so created a result that you disagree with. Which is it? Do you want judges who follow the law? Or do you want judges who make policy from the bench by disregarding the law?
    According to Cobranes, she followed only the law that supported her position. She completely ignored how le VII might "most favorably" treat the plaintiffs.

    In his estimation, the concurring opinion, by incorporating the District Court's decision, uncritically, ignored key statutory question and didn't address what he viewed were legitimate cons utional issues.

    That's not following the law.

    And, by the way, Obama's Justice Department filed an Amicus Brief that says basically the same thing. Neither the District Court nor the Appellate Court exhausted le VII remedies or answer key cons utional questions raised by the plaintiffs.

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    That would seem to be her position.
    No, that's your position. You are criticizing her for not being activist and legislating from the bench, and you are disparaging her class and income level.

    Congratulations.

    Without realizing it, you reaffirmed your status as the biggest hypocrite on the board.

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    Ricci will be decided by the current court before her confirmation process begins. It'll be stuffed back down her throat by the very justices with whom she hopes to sit.

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    According to Cobranes, she followed only the law that supported her position. She completely ignored how le VII might "most favorably" treat the plaintiffs.

    In his estimation, the concurring opinion, by incorporating the District Court's decision, uncritically, ignored key statutory question and didn't address what he viewed were legitimate cons utional issues.

    That's not following the law.
    Who is Cobranes?

    Six judges agreed with her on Ricci and six did not. Close vote. It happens.

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