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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    Darrin no I am not - but my GF is - does that make you feel better?

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    This thread has devolved into a "bash DarinS" thread.

    In other news:

    Apparently there was reports of non-Farsi speaking Basij members. Which hints at Iran importing foreign help... which in turn kinda sorta hints that maybe some of the Basij have defected. I don't wanna read too much into it... but it makes sense.

    Sort of similar to all the foreign fighters that popped up in Iraq after the invasion.
    Well there are several languages spoke inside Iran, right? It would make sense that some Basij moved in or were called in from other regions inside the country.

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    Darrin no I am not - but my GF is - does that make you feel better?
    cause, you see, a liberal arts degree means you're, like, all liberal and ...

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    I actually liked what Obama had to say today. Happy?
    Happy? I don't like Obama either you idiot. The fact is I don't go mentioning his name in every sentence.

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    Well there are several languages spoke inside Iran, right? It would make sense that some Basij moved in or were called in from other regions inside the country.
    Probably true, which is why I said I don't really want to read too much into it. I think it is still a possibility though.

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    Ann Coulter is a stupid .

    That is all.

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    If it weren't for YouTube and Twitter, the "Iran protests" would be a small blurb on a world news report. They don't seem to have anywhere near the numbers needed for any kind of revolution. Perhaps a step in the revolution direction ... but it's getting sensationalized due to the new media. Americans are eating this ish up but it will get stomped out quite easily.
    It's precisely because of the social media coverage they haven't stomped it out after a whole week. You can call it "sensationalized" if you want, but that doesn't diminish the new-found power of a movement who won't be denied their due of sunlight and martyrdom. As long as thousand of little phones and flip-cams are rolling, they can't be "dissappeared".

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    You can't base snippets of phone video as a basis for saying they don't have the numbers for revolution. I know you said seem, but this thing is close to reaching critical mass. That girl who was shot is now seen as a martyr... and as is known... Muslims rally around martyrs in a big way. I know others have died... but hers has the potential for the most to see and the severity of it can only inspire others.

    I know it made me feel something and I'm thousands of miles away.

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    Muslims rally around martyrs in a big way.
    Shia Muslim in particular.

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    Darrin no I am not - but my GF is - does that make you feel better?
    Thought maybe you were political science or journalism. Like I said, I was just curious.

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    Thought maybe you were political science or journalism. Like I said, I was just curious.
    Working on a meteorology degree.

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    It's precisely because of the social media coverage they haven't stomped it out after a whole week.
    Isn't that a negative in terms of having the numbers and the fanaticism needed to follow through with a revolution? I personally don't think a people that is ready to truly challenge its government would rely on Twitter, Facebook and YouTube to keep the momentum.

    Perhaps I'm wrong but I'd say by the end of the month, any organized protests will be a thing of the past. The best a revolutionary Iranian can hope is that this is the planting of seeds for the future, IMO.

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    An argument could be made that the seeds were planted in 99 and 03. The students who participated in those protests are now in their low 30's upper 20's.

    An even better argument could be made that this isn't really a revolution... just a correction.

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    That girl who was shot is now seen as a martyr
    Iran will block that video. There are ways to get around their internet censoring but that's attainable by less than 1% of their population.

    ... and as is known...
    Do we have a name yet?

    Muslims rally around martyrs in a big way. I know others have died... but hers has the potential for the most to see and the severity of it can only inspire others.

    I know it made me feel something and I'm thousands of miles away.
    It no doubt sucked but, IMO, it's going to take more than a random female getting killed in a video 90%+ of the people will never see to spark a true revolution.

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    Working on a meteorology degree.

    I honestly never would've figured that. That's an interesting field.

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    Iran will block that video. There are ways to get around their internet censoring but that's attainable by less than 1% of their population.

    Do we have a name yet?

    It no doubt sucked but, IMO, it's going to take more than a random female getting killed in a video 90%+ of the people will never see to spark a true revolution.
    The whole dissemination of information and media was gone over before. I threw around some theories earlier in the thread.

    Nada. Apparently it means "the voice"

    The spark was the fraudulent vote. Her killing, the Supreme Leader's lies, the violence in the streets, the solidarity being shown, Mousavi's moving statement and his willingness to die for this cause, etc. etc.... that's gasoline being thrown on the fire.

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    I'm not so sure about people not seeing it. I'm not sure this will grow either though. Just going to have to sit back and watch.

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    Isn't that a negative in terms of having the numbers and the fanaticism needed to follow through with a revolution? I personally don't think a people that is ready to truly challenge its government would rely on Twitter, Facebook and YouTube to keep the momentum.

    Perhaps I'm wrong but I'd say by the end of the month, any organized protests will be a thing of the past. The best a revolutionary Iranian can hope is that this is the planting of seeds for the future, IMO.

    I don't think they rely on it for momentum, they rely on it to get information out so the world can be a witness. Maybe they are hoping for some outside help, pressure, sanctions, etc.

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    It could be their Alamo. It could be their French Revolution. It could be a lot of things. Like Manny said... it's best to just sit back and watch at this point.

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    Isn't the govt's cutting off communications a duel-edged sword? Don't they need these same communications to run their country? Wouldn't they need them to coordinate their violent crackdowns?

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    cause, you see, a liberal arts degree means you're, like, all liberal and ...
    No, but him being educated points in that direction.

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    Ann Coulter is a stupid .

    That is all.
    I am curious, what did she say?

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    Isn't the govt's cutting off communications a duel-edged sword? Don't they need these same communications to run their country? Wouldn't they need them to coordinate their violent crackdowns?
    That' exactly what is happening. I'm sure the government uses different frequencies than the rest of the population... but businesses don't and their economy is going to really hurt the longer this goes on (it's already in a dire situation). The regime will have some tough choices to make on this subject and all of them pretty much help the reformer's cause.

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    I am curious, what did she say?
    I don't remember word for word... but she was trying to turn the situation into a complete partisan argument. It pissed me off because that's exactly what it shouldn't be.

    It shouldn't have surprised me considering where it came from.

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    If it weren't for YouTube and Twitter, the "Iran protests" would be a small blurb on a world news report.
    Are you kidding me? The Georgia issue was sensationalized while it burnt hot and that was going on while most americans were watching that million man bull china opening day happy fun joy performance.

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