1) Manu doens't need to be Kobe for the Spurs to win, he needs to be Manu.
2) Remains to be seen.
3) He's going to help the offense, get the Spurs in the penalty earlier, and take pressure off of the Big 3 to provide opportunities for and produce points.
4) Wait for Odom to re-sign and prove he can consitently play motivated beyond his contratc year then we'll talk.
5) If the Spurs win it all, it won't matter.
I hope Laker fans don't think Gasol is as good as Duncan cause he's not
I hope Laker fans don't think Artest is as good as RJ cause he's not
I hope Laker fans don't think Odom is consistent enough to be consider a factor cause he's not
I hope Laker fans don't think Bynum will stay healthy long enough to be a top center cause he won't
See: TLongIITLongII
Duncan is injured and old, but still great, So yeah he's better than Pau
Odom comes up big in games that matter, everyone knoews that. (see End of Denver series, and the Finals)
Bynums injuries werent normal, both times his teammates landed on his leg
And Artest can guard RJ
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IMO Lakers are their best when Odom comes through however will he do the same next year being its not a contract year? Just as Manu we will have to wait till next year to see if Bynum and Manu will go all year healthy. Look I'm not ignorant and I know getting pass the Lakers will be tough and they are the team to beat. However I do know the Spurs will and have made the changes to even it up a bit.
Are you homers delusional?
Signing Jefferson may or may not have brought the Spurs up to par with the championship-winning Lakers.
The Lakers countering with Artest slammed our le window shut again.
Artest is an above-average player on both sides of the the court.
I like Artest. He's a powerful, determined player. Kobe needs a lot of suckups in their supporting roles with the team...we'll see how Artest fits into that position.
No, Artest is an average ofensive player (or maybe worst) the thing is he thinks he is the second coming of Jordan, that's why he takes awful shot after awful shot at a 40 % rate, and coaches are too afraid to tell him different.
RJ on the other hand is trully an above average player on both sides of the court.
I see there are alot of guys here who dont watch basketball and just spew for the of it. You'd have to be a complete re to think Artest doesnt make the Lakers signifigantly better. All these other posters suggesting Artest is not that good...or lost a step...or whatever, are either uneducated and never seen the man play or trying to make themselves feel better and convince themselves that the Lakers aren't the top team in the West. Either way, you're wrong and regardless how many times you wanna say the opposite...the Lakers have gotten way better with the addition of Artest. I just cant wait until the season starts so all this bull can be put to bed and we'll see who sinks and who swims.
If you think Phil or Kobe will be afraid to tell Artest not to be a dumbass then you're delusional .
Artest shot 45% in Sac as the number 1 option. Now that Artest is out of that hole of a system which was Houston his efficiency will sky rocket playing next to Kobe.
RJ has been an awful defender that past couple years. Meanwhile Artest is making 2nd team all-defense and holding Lebron James to 39% shooting.
Career averages:
-42% FG
-34% 3PT
-72% FT
-1.2 Assts/TO ratio
And he's dumb, selfish and can't drible the ball. That Artest guy sure sounds like a fine ofensive player.
Why don't we draw a stalemate here instead of this constant one upsmanship? We won't know for sure the impact until the season starts and progresses.
I'm sure both acquisitions (Artest and Jefferson) will be positive assets to their prospective teams. Both teams did well.
Okay?
You forgot 4 time NBA ALL-Defense and DPOY. Artest shot 39% from the arc last as Houston's quasi number 1 option. Now put him in the Ariza role where 99% of his shots are completely wide open.
What has RJ ever done beside suck Luke Walton's ?
And what that has to do with ofense?
He won't shoot that % in a season ever again. By the way he shot 27% from 3pt land in the playoffs.Artest shot 39% from the arc last as Houston's quasi number option. Now put him in the Ariza role where 99% of his shots are completely wide open.
Well besides beign to the NBA finals twice, he has career averages of:What has RJ ever done beside suck Luke Walton's ?
-18 pts
-47% FG
-35% 3PT
-78% FT
All above average ofensive numbers.
its amazing reading this crap. the emotion that goes into some this drivel, and how it affects your opinions...shut up. i don't know why people forget about Manu, if he's healthy the Spurs are easily the second best team in the West last year. Add, a healthy Manu (not out of the question), Jefferson, Blair, Haislip and Mahinmi...thats infinitely better than last year's team. last year's bigs were stiffs, lest you forget. a healthy Spurs beats any team, ing re s...get some perspective. and if we aren't healthy...its not in the cards, get over it.
...not to mention, we still might get someone else.
It's July 6th, chill out..
you guys should know better than to continue this argument with people that openly cheer for rapists that on their teammates, and wife beaters that abuse animals..
you're like a little tiny baby that needs to be breast fed.
Don't be mad just because Jefferson has no idea how to play defense. oh and at least Artest has a post game.
Sure he will, next year. By the way, Artest actually took his team to the 2nd round (something the Spurs couldn't do).
All inflated numbers by leeching off of Jason Kidd. There's a reason the Nets and Bucks couldn't get rid of him fast enough. He's a jumpshooting blackhole that doesn't play any defense with one of the worst contracts in the entire NBA.
Jefferson: 14,200,000
Artest: 6,000,000
Which makes perfect sense considering he had his best year offensively last year with the Bucks.
So 'cause stats don't help you, you pull the "defense" card, which is very subjective. RJ was the main defensive wing for a two times NBA finals team, I'm sure he isn't as bad as you think he is.
And Artest doesn't have a post game, in fact he doesn't have any ofensive skills. He just muscles his way to a 42 field goal percentage.
About the 3pt % we'll have to wait and see. And about the Rockets, they got to the 2nd round despite Ron Artest.Sure he will, next year. By the way, Artest actually took his team to the 2nd round (something the Spurs couldn't do).
All inflated numbers by leeching off of Jason Kidd. There's a reason the Nets and Bucks couldn't get rid of him fast enough. He's a jumpshooting blackhole that doesn't play any defense with one of the worst contracts in the entire NBA., if you are an above average ofensive player you can put RJ numbers, if you aren't, you shoot 42 % from the field, simple as that.
Yep, usually the better player gets paid more. Besides, what do I care? I don't pay any of them.Jefferson: 14,200,000
Artest: 6,000,000
Stats help me just fine. Artest held Pierce, Melo, LBJ to 40%~ shooting last season. Elite defense. RJ was busy getting torched every game in Milwaukee leading his team to more lottery balls.
You obviously haven't watched RJ play recently.
Artest does have a post game. You just don't watch basketball outside of SA. You're ignorance is hilarious. Oh and RJ his way to a 43 field goal percentage on his way to the lotteryMeanwhile Artest is winning playoff series.
They don't beat Portland without Artest. It's a fact.
RJ was exposed on the Bucks, 43% without a super passing PG or wing to create shots for him. He's a volume shooting blackhole that doesn't play defense now. His FG% was inflated by J-Kidd and RJ proved he can't carry a team by himself. Artest has (see the Kings), carried them straight to the playoffs and took the Spurs to 6 games.
No, toxic contracts are given away (see Jefferson, Randolf) while Artest was courted by le contenders because they know how valuable he is.
Laker fans are funny - they continue to try and sell themselves on Artest being a cooperative role player, but in the back of their minds they know that Artest is an attention that needs to be significant. That'll be pretty tough with the current cast. He reminds me of Rodman and the only one that could tame him was Jordan - sorry Kobe does not have the charisma to keep Artest in check. This is the best thing that could've happened to the Spurs this offseason and to read all of these bandwagon Spur fans mourn over the loss of Sheed - they completely miss the gem that this roster change means in the long run.
If Ron Artest was truly an attention seeking the spotlight then WTF did he sign in LA for millions less and a dramatically reduced role? That doesn't make sense.
I don't see why either side has to belittle each other's acquisitions. I'm sure RJ will workout great just as I'm sure Artest is going to add a new dimension to the Lakers they have not had in a long time. The Lakers didn't need to make this move, but I'm glad they did. Never be satisfied with what you have, always look to upgrade.
I dunno. But him going on SportsCenter that same night was telling. No other Free Agent has done that.
I'm sorry - I didn't realize that I was the first person to ever say that he's an attention . He figures he can supplement his lower contract through his record contract I guess. You truly are kidding yourself if you think that he will be comfortable in a reduced role for long. I really am only trying to point out that his mentality is not one of a role player or even a normal person for that matter. Call it belittling or whatever, but don't try to sell us that he is in it for the team and all that b.s. - when has he ever done that?
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