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No he was not one of the best players in Europe. NBA fans are just impossible to deal with.
Stop exaggerating. He was not one of the best players in Europe. Why do NBA fans always do this? They exaggerate every player from Europe as soon as he signs an NBA contract. He was one of the better power forwards in Spain. Not one of the best players in Europe.
No he was not one of the best players in Europe. NBA fans are just impossible to deal with.
Where would you rank him in Europe KBP?
How are those Bursitis rumors going? Still think the Spurs were going to sign him for the MLE?
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KBP, this time u aren't totally wrong...but i rank him with one of 10 better PF in Europe.
If he could earn guaranteed minutes as a backup, he'd be one of the best backup bigs in the L. Off the bench, he'd be pitted against less talented compe ion. I think he could continue building on last regular season+game 2 of the playoffs. He's not a bad defender and he's improved his rotations greatly since 2008, contrary to popular belief. To the point where he's actually a solid help defender with his positioning.
He's also a surefire shooter when there's not immense pressure for him to produce. Give him more time and he could improve further, especially if we have a deep playoff run this year where he gets burn. Additionally, Bonner producing off the bench would discourage Pop from going to smallball I think.
Last edited by z0sa; 07-05-2009 at 04:41 PM.
He is athletic of course and can dunk obviously. But really he is not that good to be honest. He can be completely taken out of a game and dominated against some of the big Euroleague clubs. Far from one of the best players in Europe like foolish NBA Spurs fans are already making up these lies. Typical of the nonsense and idiocy towards European basketball here.maybe that was on purpose
anyway, is there anyone who've seen him play enough in europe to give his opinion.
KBP did that and it doesn't seem really good from what he said.
any other member opinion ?
But still he is certainly better than Bonner I think.
So which one is it?
Never heard of this guy...but for a minimum-type deal it's a steal.. This team is getting even younger and athletic by the minute.
Too bad he will be playing in OKC this year. I think they have a shot at the playoffs, so maybe he can show them something.
Ironic underappreciated Bonner and his oft-hated contract may be key to us acquiring different talent.
I don't think you can consider him better than a lot of backups in the league. I'd take Kaman, Pryzbila, Dalembert, Gortat, the list goes on...
While I will concede this guy is oimproving, better talent is out there. Hence, trade him.
What about Smodis or Andersen?
You think Haslip's main compe ion this summer would be Gist then? With the loser gone or sent to Austin?
Smodis is better than Andersen.
Good job comparing apples to oranges and I said one of the best, a few of those started at times last season and will do it again as well while Bonner would be a true backup next season... None of those guys can shoot the ball whatsoever, either. If you wanted a big bruiser you wouldn't want matt Bonner (though he is quite strong downlow). This team will already have two bruisers upfront (most likely). You can bring a tall, lethal shooter off the bench, like Pop has done for years now, you create space for the less-talented bench players to work without sacrificing size. I bet most coaches would agree that's a nice option to have. Additionally, against backups Bonner would improve his rebounding.
Last edited by z0sa; 07-05-2009 at 04:59 PM.
what I think the spurs should do is dump George Hill and pick up Nate Robinson. The last thing I want to see is Nate on L.A.
This is obvious, but if these youngsters show Bonner up through camp, I think *POP* might rethink Bonner, because even though he is a shooter, his defensive liabilities might be his undoing. Pop might take a different approach if a young defensive ace comes along.
Then we could always sign sheed and send Bonner packing that way...(fingers crossed)
The Lakers can only sign Nate Robinson to the minimum IIRC, which he won't take IMO, or get him in a trade, which probably won't happen..
he's also just an offensive player, and he has a bad at ude/temper..
I would ranke these Euroleague power forwards all better than him
Mike Batiste
Felipe Reyes
Matjaz Smodis
Ioannis Bourousis
Ksystof Lavrinovic
Antonis Fotsis
David Andersen
Viktor Khryapa
Ersan Ilyasova
Mirsad Turkcan
Lior Eliyahu
Novicka Velickovic
Shaun Stonerook
Mirza Teletovic
Jorge Garbajosa
So I would rate him about maybe 16th best PF in Euroleague. Actually, he is also debatable with Georgios Printezis, Andre Hutson, Dimos Dikoudis, Terrence Morris, Stephane Lasme
You could probably argue for any one of them being better than him also. But I will put him above them because either he has done more in Europe than some of them or he is younger than some of them that are declining already.
Haislip is an NBA level player and is better than Bonner but Spurs fans are nuts if they think he is one of the best players in Europe.
thats good to know. for the minimum this could really be a steal. a potential high reward and low risk move.
hmm that bourousis guy sounds like an interesting prospect...
Unless Gist proves he can guard the periemter 3's and 4's. Then, maybe he improves his %'s of making the squad.
Bourousis' backup Printezis is replacing Haislip in Malaga and the team's Gm said that Printezis is an upgrade over Haislip. So Bourousis' backup is an upgrade over Haislip.
So this should put it in perspective for you. I ranked Haislip over Printezis because Haislip has done more than him in Euroleague but in reality actually it is true that Printezis is a much better talent and better player than Haislip is. He is just young and just starting to mature but certainly when he is 28 he should be way better than Haislip is now. This is the backup to Bourousis.
i don't believe you.
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