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    timvp what this means?

    That the next big they'll bring and roster fillers will have to split the MLE in between them?
    The Spurs can still sign someone with the MLE and then can fill out their roster with minimum contracts. But if they do all of that, Holt is going to have to pay a ton of luxury tax dollars.

    Let's hope he's willing.

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    In Pop I trust, he's won championships with a couple of all-stars and spare parts before.

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    The Spurs can still sign someone with the MLE and then can fill out their roster with minimum contracts. But if they do all of that, Holt is going to have to pay a ton of luxury tax dollars.

    Let's hope he's willing.
    I think they will save money, sign Gooden and call it a day.

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    Let's just hope that Finley re-upping didn't force the Spurs to use only the LLE on a big rather than the MLE.
    If Spurs FO was only allowed to spend $2M on a FA big, they would have used a part of the MLE.
    If Haislip is a LLE contract, it means that Spurs plan to use at least $4M of their MLE.

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    Haislip seems to be duplicating a lot of the skills Spurs might have expected to get out of Mahinmi. Wonder if they're not so high on Ian panning out.

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    Haislip seems to be duplicating a lot of the skills Spurs might have expected to get out of Mahinmi. Wonder if they're not so high on Ian panning out.
    Ian has a jumper?

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    If Spurs FO was only allowed to spend $2M on a FA big, they would have used a part of the MLE.
    If Haislip is a LLE contract, it means that Spurs plan to use at least $4M of their MLE.
    Which would be some damn good news, and what they've said all along, but not if it's meant for Baby..

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    I'll be soooo pissed if we get Davis.

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    If Spurs FO was only allowed to spend $2M on a FA big, they would have used a part of the MLE.
    If Haislip is a LLE contract, it means that Spurs plan to use at least $4M of their MLE.
    I don't follow your reasoning. Other than the LLE being available only every other year, what else are you factoring in?

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    If Spurs FO was only allowed to spend $2M on a FA big, they would have used a part of the MLE.
    If Haislip is a LLE contract, it means that Spurs plan to use at least $4M of their MLE.

    Huh? I'm lost.

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    I don't follow your reasoning. Other than the LLE being available only every other year, what else are you factoring in?
    He's saying if the Spurs weren't going to use the entire MLE, they would've used part of that to sign Haislip. Them using the LLE means they'll likely use some or all of the MLE to sign someone.

    * I think *

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    Haislip seems to be duplicating a lot of the skills Spurs might have expected to get out of Mahinmi. Wonder if they're not so high on Ian panning out.
    IMO, Haislip looks he duplicates Gist. He's a running, jumping fluid athlete with an expanding perimeter game. That's almost Gist to the letter.

    Mahinmi is more of an awkward athlete who has offensive skills on the low block.

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    I don't follow your reasoning. Other than the LLE being available only every other year, what else are you factoring in?
    If you sign Haislip with the LLE, you "hurt" your future by not being able to spend the LLE in 2010.
    If you sign Haislip with a part of the MLE, you don't "hurt" your future.

    The only case Spurs have an interest to use the LLE over part of the MLE is if they want to keep their MLE for something else.

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    If you sign Haislip with the LLE, you "hurt" your future by not being able to spend the LLE in 2010.
    If you sign Haislip with a part of the MLE, you don't "hurt" your future.

    The only case Spurs have an interest to use the LLE over part of the MLE is if they want to keep their MLE for something else.
    Oh. That makes sense.

    Thnks.

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    IMO, Haislip looks he duplicates Gist. He's a running, jumping fluid athlete with an expanding perimeter game. That's almost Gist to the letter.

    Mahinmi is more of an awkward athlete who has offensive skills on the low block.
    Yeah. I'm off on that one.

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    If you sign Haislip with the LLE, you "hurt" your future by not being able to spend the LLE in 2010.
    If you sign Haislip with a part of the MLE, you don't "hurt" your future.

    The only case Spurs have an interest to use the LLE over part of the MLE is if they want to keep their MLE for something else.
    Oh okay, so you subtracted the LLE from the MLE. Now I see what you did there.

    That is the optimistic way to look at it but the Spurs supposedly had been wooing Haislip for a long time. They could have dangled that LLE offer out there before knowing what Finley would do ... or what Wallace would do.

    Plus, we are just assuming it's the LLE since it's the LLE size, but that doesn't mean the Spurs won't take it out of the MLE.

    And finally, I'm not sure how much the Spurs value the LLE. They use it so rarely that the biannual aspect of it might not even factor into their thinking.

    But -- the said -- I hope you are right.

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    looks like Spurs are assembling a frontline of some tough hombres.

    Gist, Blair, and now Haislip

    although a little undersized. All we need is to resign Oberto and get that big FA to serve as anchor. (Splitter, Dice, Camby, Odom?)

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    The Spurs are certainly increasing team speed and athleticism and are slowly moving from being built around Duncan to being built around Parker.

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    The Spurs are certainly increasing team speed and athleticism and are slowly moving from being built around Duncan to being built around Parker.
    That's the best observation I've read in weeks. Obvious and smart. Good call MB.

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    That is the optimistic way to look at it but the Spurs supposedly had been wooing Haislip for a long time. They could have dangled that LLE offer out there before knowing what Finley would do ... or what Wallace would do.
    With the FA starting earlier in Europe, Spurs have surely contacted him before Finley pick his option.
    Now, even if you have negotiated a LLE contract, you can still use the MLE to pay it.


    Plus, we are just assuming it's the LLE since it's the LLE size, but that doesn't mean the Spurs won't take it out of the MLE.
    I will be interesting to know it soon. MC Donald article said that Spurs still have their full MLE but it's McDonald...

    And finally, I'm not sure how much the Spurs value the LLE. They use it so rarely that the biannual aspect of it might not even factor into their thinking.
    I highly doubt it doesn't factor in their thinking. Every details is looked at by a FO.

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    As the team morphs from Duncan's to Parker's, Duncan's eventual retirement might not result in as dramatic a decline in team success as expected.

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    The Spurs are certainly increasing team speed and athleticism and are slowly moving from being built around Duncan to being built around Parker.
    I agree, and actually posted a thread a while back about them maybe looking to go more up-tempo with the type of players they acquire going forward; people able to run and take advantage of a player with Tony's abilities.

    It's a fine balance to have the players to win now, while utilizing Duncan, and finding the right type of players moving forward for Tony, but it's a move I feel that's definitely started to take place.

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    As the team morphs from Duncan's to Parker's, Duncan's eventual retirement might not result in as dramatic a decline in team success as expected.
    I never thought of it like that....good point.

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    Spurs signed somebody that can dunk.

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    We aren't going to be a le team when Duncan fully declines..it doesn't matter what Tony does..we need Duncan as the best player on the team, and hopefully he's good enough to remain as the best for the next 2 years..we're fine with Tony being the #1 option on offense, because he's good enough to do it, but Duncan has to remain as the best all-around player on the team(scoring, rebounding, passing, defense, leadership)..

    Teams don't win les with a scoring PG as the best player, but they can if he's the #1 scoring option instead..

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