Big Baby to San Antonio? Grant Hill to Boston?

[DPG21920]

Bull .

Whatever happens that trade was a steal.

Sell trading for a borderline all star for nothing to someone else cause it doesn't compute.

So, if the Spurs took on RJ's contract, pay luxury tax, lose profits and do not have a legit shot to win while Tim is a Spur (wasting him), and are handcuffed with regards to going a different direction it is a good trade?

[scottspurs]

You never what Pop is thinking, be patient. Right now it would appear that they will have to start Duncan at Center.
C- Duncan/Ian
PF- Blair/Big Baby or switched
Not idea, but I am sure Pop is working something out. I am personally excited to see what goes down. When was the last time an off season has been this exciting?

Thats the Spirit!

[EricB]

Gooden sucks.

I don't like DAVIS but Davis>>>>>>> Gooden

[timvp]

Positive Big Baby Traits:

1. He cares about winning

2. Good energy defensively

3. Has decent range on his shot

4. Has shown clutch ability

5. He's only 23


If you are going to spend the MLE, I'd actually start him. He's more of a complementary piece who can score when others have the attention. I don't like him as much off the bench because his main strengths need a lot of steady minutes. It's not an accident that he played best as a starter.

If you want to look at this as glass half full, the best thing to note is that Big Baby has more potential than any other attainable free agent bigman. Players like Bass or Pachulia aren't going to get much better. Big Baby is young enough and has shown enough promise that he could potentially turn into a pretty damn good player.

That said, I don't like the short-term fit. The MLE wouldn't be THAT horrible to spend on him because he definitely has talent. My problem is the fit. For example, if a team like the Grizzlies signed him to a maxed out MLE instead of trading for Zach Randolph, I'd say that's a solid move.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

BigBaby is our plan B.....

[mogrovejo]

Well all of the numbers to date show him being very "average" in jump shooting. You can look up season splits if you like to see if there was a major jump like you claimed in his %'s.

I have watched Boston a ton. He does have good feet for a heavy guy, but he is not a good defender. You are giving him too much credit for "pushing guys out of their comfort zone". The guys get to spots in most situations and like you said, they shoot over him.

I can't find the splits exclusively for jump-shots, but I have this data:

Until Jan 19th: 28% on jump-shots
End of the season: 37% on jump-shots

Can you figure out the kind of improvement necessary to cause this 9% increase in 37 games? And those 28% were already an improvement. He hit his jumpers at a very high rate since December.


Well, pushing guys out of their comfort zone is a big part of a good low post defence, especially for a team like the C's who rarely front the post. Check his defence on Tim Duncan, for example. I mean, height is an issue, but don't you consider Chuck Hayes a good post defender? And Davis contests the shots, it's not that easy to score on him. You can complain about his lack of shot-blocking, but his individual low post defence is as good as it you're going to get from a player of his length.

[objective]

Nah, people were happy to here that we had a defensive specialist coming that could guard Kobe.

And Bowen was incredibly cheap, didn't he sign for the minimum?

[45 bank shot]

though: dice said he will sign for the LLE, just he will take a long time deciding. we are getting insurance incase he doesn't sign with us and have a trade for bonner + finely for something better?

what the is this?

[La Peace]

I'd rather take Gooden or McDyess, McDyess first.

[mogrovejo]

I think Davis doesn't deserve the MLE. $3 millions per year would be a decent contract. But his lack of rebounding worries me.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

No, his information is not the same as yours or mine, as he is close to the Celtics and we aren't. He isn't going to site a source when something isn't done yet... that's how you lose sources. (Media 101 )

Yes, he's close to the Celtics, not the Spurs. Just because he knows the Celtics won't match the MLE for him (which he put his balls on the line about) doesn't mean he knows Baby is going to the Spurs (which he did NOT put his balls on the line about - he dodged it by using "could").

I didn't suggest he'd directly cite the source, because of course he'd then lose that source, but if he was getting his info from inside the organisation he'd say "a source inside the Celtics" or something similar, not just "could".

Anyway, we'll see when the Spurs pipe up and respond to this.

[scottspurs]

Spurs finally go young and everyone freaks out. Duncan is going to play center and have some banger PFs. Spurs are going to wreck shop next year.

[EricB]

And Bowen was incredibly cheap, didn't he sign for the minimum?

IIRC Bowen signed for a couple mill a year.

Maybe not.

[DPG21920]

And what is all of this "fantasy numbers" talk from you MB? Like Bonner/Baby are some fantasy studs .

I would rather have Rasho, Dice, ZaZa, pretty much anyone who is better than Baby on defense. I do not care at all about offense, how is that "fantasy"?

Not only does Baby not get "stats" defensively, guys get to their spots and shoot over him.

[ManuTP9]

[tp2021]

BigBaby is our plan B.....

Sheed was never Plan A. This actually seems like a CIA move to get a young (hopefully bench IMO) big

[ElNono]

[EricB]

If you people think the Spurs sign or go after anyone without Duncan knowing and agreeing, you're on drugs.

[GooberNuts]

though: dice said he will sign for the LLE, just he will take a long time deciding. we are getting insurance incase he doesn't sign with us and have a trade for bonner + finely for something better?

When did Dice say he would sign for the LLE?? If somehow we land him and Big Baby then comes off the bench, that's a solid rotation, especially with the other young bigs we have coming up.

[montgod]

Odom is still out there

[45 bank shot]

did u just make this lol?

[45 bank shot]

When did Dice say he would sign for the LLE?? If somehow we land him and Big Baby then comes off the bench, that's a solid rotation, especially with the other young bigs we have coming up.

i think clubalien is B.Sing

[DPG21920]

I can't find the splits exclusively for jump-shots, but I have this data:

Until Jan 19th: 28% on jump-shots
End of the season: 37% on jump-shots

Can you figure out the kind of improvement necessary to cause this 9% increase in 37 games? And those 28% were already an improvement. He hit his jumpers at a very high rate since December.


Well, pushing guys out of their comfort zone is a big part of a good low post defence, especially for a team like the C's who rarely front the post. Check his defence on Tim Duncan, for example. I mean, height is an issue, but don't you consider Chuck Hayes a good post defender? And Davis contests the shots, it's not that easy to score on him. You can complain about his lack of shot-blocking, but his individual low post defence is as good as it you're going to get from a player of his length.

Is this a joke? Did you just compare Chuck to Baby with regards to low post d? Baby lets guys get to their spots, he does not prevent them from getting there.

Every once and a while, when he is at a spot early, he does a good job about keeping guys there, but that is not a consistent trait.

[objective]

IIRC Bowen signed for a couple mill a year.

Maybe not.

found it, confirmed my memory that he started with the Spurs on a one-year deal.

basketball reference estimated yearly salaries:

01-02 = $715,850

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...bowenbr01.html

[Spurs9]

Lets not start freaking out yet. This is a TWITTER post, its not official. If we do sign him maybe it will work out, I hate this deal as much as anyone else but who knows. The spurs know best right? He would be much better if he dropped alot of weight, which he may be doing in the offseason for all we know,