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If the Spurs get him next year, could they use the MLE on him? Or just available cap space (if it is less than the MLE).
Jefferson, TD, Blair, Haislip, Tiago, Dice, that is saying if everyone here is going to be on the roster. I think Ian and Gist are on the fence. Everyone else
If the Spurs get him next year, could they use the MLE on him? Or just available cap space (if it is less than the MLE).
sorry, getting tired, need sleepy, just joking, I have no idea about Splitter's sexual orientation
No way the Spurs are letting Haislip walk before they see if and how much he can contribute.
Either Gist or Ian would be gone and Haislip would be on the team, as they've already agreed to sign him.
Blair/ Gist/ Yanny/ Haislip is the cluster of players that will need to exceed any expectations to earn a spot in the rotation. Who out of that cluster will that be? Only time will tell.
You're kidding, right?
Splitter's a serviceable big that would give the Spurs a legit person to back up/play alongside Tim at the 5.
Plus, if he were to sign, you'd be getting him at the rookie pay-scale which is a value you're not going to find out on the market.
Duncan
McDyess
Splitter
Blair
Haislip
Mahinmi
Bonner
Bonner and/or Mahinmi probably being moved:
To start the season?
That's the way I see Spurs bigmen crop:
Duncan, Blair, Haislip and the MLE big are in a quite comfortable situation. Blair is a rookie whose Spurs are trilled to have drafted. Spurs likes Haislip enough to spend $4M (with the luxury tax) on him next year.
Bonner, Mahinmi and Gist are on the thin ice. Bonner disastrous playoffs has surely hurts him. Mahinmi has to show something good damn quickly. I don't see Gist will make the team next year if Pop don't think he can turn him into a 3.
If Spurs add Splitter, players on thin ice will be on a thinner ice. Mahinmi is likely the one that will be hurt the most by a Splitter signing.
I've asked about that, but I do know that they'll be allowed to pay up to the MLE to bring him over next year. (I'm just not sure if it's the actual MLE or the equivalent amount)
My point was not so much now, but 2010. The Spurs could perhaps swing a deal for yet another big (Camby?), which would then make Splitter obsolete. The only thing for the Spurs would have left then is to perhaps sign and trade him.
I'm not trying to make him seem useless, but the Spurs cannot wait to see if they the Euro dives, or his team gets a new gm, or whatever other far fetched scenarios that might play out. Tim needs help yesterday! Not to mention, Splitter would have to go through the same ropes of proving himself as everyone else. Which means if he came in 2010, he wouldn't be too much use until 2012, and by then Tim may be done, and Splitter's very spot on the team is redundant.
Very soon, he'll have to come, or it'll be too late.
I'm not sure why you want to render a useful asset obsolete but the scenario we're suggesting would have Splitter here, this year.
Splitter, IIRC, is still only 24 (the same age as McClinton) and although there will be a transition to be made from Euro to NBA, this guys been playing professionally for years in leagues superior to the college game. He's not as skilled as Scola, (although physically more gifted) but look how soon he was able to make an impact.
Splitter would only be asked to be a big body, defend to the best of his ability, and be the glorified garbage man playing off the Big 4.
IOW, not quite learning the point.
Good points all.
It just gets sickening hearing the same names every summer (or different names), and year after year, Tim has to go to battle with playdo.
C'mon Dice, break this vicious cycle!
Well, can't argue with that.
Interesting to see how this plays out. Wonder if the Spurs are trying to woo Splitter by emphasizing that these might be the last 2 seasons of Duncan's career? If Tiago has intentions of coming in and learning from the best, his window of opportunity could be closing very soon.
One theme I've heard from European transfer players is their desire for guaranteed minutes. I've seen it come into discussions several times lately, including a comment that Gortat made yesterday. I think I remember that being an issue with Splitter, although I don't know if he put it in exactly those terms. I understand the players' point of view, and there are some teams that have made guarantees to players to help them commit. But the Spurs have never been willing to even discuss anything like guaranteed minutes.
I don't see any possibility of Splitter coming this season for the rookie scale, when he can get a much bigger deal next season and have less or no buyout. But... if there were any possibility of it happening, for whatever bizarre reason, I can't picture him making all that sacrifice without a guarantee of playing time. And even though I think he is good enough to be on the floor right away, I can't see the Spurs ever making such a promise.
Too many factors against, and only wishful thinking working for him arriving sooner than 2010.
Im so tired of seeing this dudes name. If he cant help the team today, or in the near future, then why the time on this? Im sure this topic has been beaten to death (just a hunch). Its a long shot he ever play here at all from what i've read in this thread. Move on.
I don't know if this is a reliable source (I guess not) but...
http://www.clicrbs.com.br/anoticia/j...61§ion=888Agora é definitivo
Joinvilense Tiago Splitter, pivô que se apresenta à Seleção Brasileira de basquete no dia 28, ao lado dos astros da NBA Leandrinho, Anderson Varejão e Nenê, fica no Tau Cerámica só mais uma temporada. Em agosto do ano que vem, desembarca no San Antonio Spurs, time do famoso ala argentino Ginóbili e do americano Tim Duncan, considerado um dos três maiores pivôs do mundo.
Hoje supervalorizado pela excelente temporada que viveu na última Euroliga e no próprio Campeonato Espanhol, Tiago leva a vida que pediu a Deus. Ao lado da família, de bem com os amigos e projetando um futuro radiante. Jogar na NBA é um sonho que ele acalenta desde criança.
I would try to translate it, but it would be worse than BabelFish... Basically, it's saying it's official (?) that Splitter will play in Europe only one more year.
And I know this is not reliable, because it says Nene will play for the national team... Sorry for wasting your time...
I've seen this statement a few times recently (not just by you), and I don't get it. Splitter was drafted in the first round, which means he can only receive the guaranteed salary associated with that first round slot right?
It shouldn't matter whether he came over before last year or comes over in 2012 should it?
If I'm wrong, please explain.
The Spurs will have to settle for McDyess then.
Here is what bothers me about Splitter and the staying over for the money stuff. Don't you think Blake Griffin could go to Europe and make way more than the rookie pay scale? Imagine the reaction people would have if Griffin made the same decision. Splitter has the chance to play with one of the best bigs in the history of the game, it just doesn't sit well.
Provided the Spurs have room for him. Also, that deal would likely be similar to Scola's (3 yrs/$10 mil). The Spurs aren't going to give him a large contract. Remember Ginobili's first NBA contract after his Euroleague MVP season or whatever. But they are going to structure the contract such that they end up with his full Bird Rights at the end of it. He could jump to the league now, put in one year of experience, and then be two years away from a long term contract instead of three.
He's not going to get a $40 mil deal if he waits a year. Scola didn't. Ginobili didn't. Nocioni didn't.If he comes this year, he's not only stuck with the 1st year rookie rate this year, he's stuck with the 2d year rookie contract rate next year as well (and the 3rd year rate after that).
Basically, if comes over one year earlier he's stuck with in a low-paying three year salary structure.
The Spurs won't agree to that which does not provide them with some kind of advantage when their player becomes a free agent, or at least puts them on a level playing field. That won't be a 1 year deal, as it confers no Bird Rights (full or early).He could arguably sign a one-year deal next year that might equal the total salary he'd make in that three-year structured deal and he'd be a free agent at the end of the one year deal (rather than being stuck for two more low-paying years).
This seems so ridiculous, it is hard to believe. But that's the way it appears to work. Please tell me I'm missing something here. (I claim no expertise in these things.)
If he comes over this year, he will be a RFA in the summer of 2013 after the two guaranteed years and the two team option years.
If he waits until next year and signs a three yr deal, he will be a RFA in the summer of 2013.
He gets no closer to free agency by coming over this summer.
I´ll try:
Tiago Splitter will join the NT on July 28th, together with Barbosa, Varejao and Nene.
In August of next year (2010?) he will be joining the San Antonio Spurs, team where the famous argentinian Manu Ginobili and american Tim Duncan - considered one of the 3 best big men in the world - play.
With his value at record highs, after an excellent season in Europe, he is living the life he asked to God.
Close to his family and friends, and a bright future.
Playing in the NBA is a dream he has since he was a kid.
Well...it says something like that...basically...
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