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Bell/Diaw/Nocioni would be great.
get stephen jackson back.
Bell/Diaw/Nocioni would be great.
I think Bell is the most sensible. He makes $5.2M this year and would come off the books next summer. Bell provides the Spurs with a lockdown defender on the wings in spot minute situations.
Noc -- while I'm a huge fan of the guy -- makes less sense from a cap point of view because his contract goes through 2012/13 (though the last year is a team option). I fear we might be tying our hands down when it's time to make a decision on TP/RJ in 2011 (and that assumes we don't extend Manu in 2010).
Diaw is too pricey and large part of what Larry Brown wants to do in Charlotte.
Someone suggested Camby for expirings and a 1st. This make little sense for the Clips since he too is an expiring contract, and comes off their books next summer. I'm not so convinced our first alone will be enough to entice the Clips, especially since they will probably want to use Camby's expiring contract as part of a more lucrative trade that -- get this -- is in their interest.
Collison makes sense but only if Ian is an 100% certified bust. Ian's contract is a Team Option next year (like this year), so in the event he stinks it up, we can pick up Nick this year, let Ian go next summer, and bring in Tiago without creating a log-jam with our bigs.
I honestly don't see Splitter coming over to play for us, ever.
It's been four years.
He's about one year younger than Darko Milicic who's been in the league basically forever.
If you don't think he's a "bust," ask yourself this question and answer honestly --- If the Spurs had the '05 draft to do over would they take Mahinmi in the 1st Round? Ahead of David Lee and others.
I do not think anyone can credibly argue that the Spurs would make that pick again.
You can go back over the last two years. At various points Battier had some combination of Dikembe, Yao, Scola, etc. backing him up.
Bowen had Duncan and Bonner/Finley. Which is more damning?
Not so fast. I love Battier too. However, you DO NOT send away yet another 1st round pick. We've watched this movie play out with the KT trade. The Spurs had no pick in this most recent 2009 NBA draft. Sure, the Spurs were very, very fortunate to have had a top college player, like Blair, simply fall into their laps. They just got lucky. Even still, that didn't perclude them from desparately trying to "trade up" into the first round to target a couple of players they knew would never make it to them in the 2nd. That early 2nd round pick saved their asses.
The point is, the Spurs are about 2 years away from having to rebuild again. First round picks are solid, golden assets that are critical to building your team. We all know that it usually takes a couple of years to develop rookie talent. We also know the Spurs MUST WIN NOW. They can do that as presently constructed - with or without Battier. It would be very foolish for the Spurs to simply trade away picks as part of trade packages. If they can't get a deal done for him, or anyone else for that matter, without doing sacrificing first round picks, don't do the deal. Don't make the mistake of 2 years ago.
I don't see why LB would want Finley or Bonner...so Bell is probably a serious stretch. Nocioni is interesting and his contract is decent, but unless Sacto is just desperate to dump salary for 2010 I doubt they part with him for what we are offering(they already have Spencer Hawes, why would they want Bonner?). TBQH, I don't see a lot of good trade options for a wing. I think the defensive wing issue will be preliminarily resolved by bringing back Bowen or signing Bogans. I also hope that Hairston can step up this season and give us some good minutes.
If we are going to explore a trade I see something like Foster being more realistic. I like Collison too, but in thinking about what others have said in regards to his fit now that we have McDyess I agree that he is probably not really the best option now.
I believe we have to sit this out...as said: we should take a look at what the team can do with the young guns, while other teams will fall out of contention, deciding to cut payroll...sadly Bell and Camby dont make sense though, coz they are expiring themself and there should be other tradepartners, that can offer more than a low 1st rounder (essentially worse than a high 2nd rounder).
there will be options, but I dont see a player coming here, that has an expiring...saying that: we owe it to Peter Holt, that he might use these expirings himself, rather than pushing the lux tax even more
my point: try to resign Bruce (still like the idea of Kurt coming back too!) and start the season with what we have...come next year we might see other options, but intill then I like what we have at hand
remember, Spurs were quite interested in Sessions 2007, they had him in twice for work outs. (didn't pick him. I guess b/c SF was more of a need and not owning 3 pt range also didn't help his case)
but in the current situation, Spurs don't have any chance to get him. so why even think about it. would be more interesting to ask: which player is on the market, who provides similar qualities AND could be had for the right price?
(to tell the truth, I have no idea)
but overall this leads to a very interesting question: if the Spurs think they still don't have the back up PG they need, what would be the consequences?
this would mean that they are totally over equipped at SG with Manu, Mason, Hill (+McClinton, ev. DeColo next year) plus Finley, Hairston, M.Williams.
this would produce the need to move some of them, even if we like all of them.
I really can see that the Spurs love McClinton and I think he will be a great steal. but what does this mean for the roster. Hill and Mason and McClinton? all of them in the back up SG role? can't see this. and even if they start some experiments with McClinton at PG, it will take years till this will be more than a pre season scenario.
IMO, if McClinton impresses in the summer league, either Mason or Hill will be on the block. both do have some value in minor trade scenarios. and Spurs will try to bring back a big veteran PG, who can defend at SG and who could play alongside McClinton and (whoever will stay) Mason or Hill. I'm thinking about a Antonio Daniels type player. (not him in person, his contract is bad. expiring though).
Beat me to it.
How can the kid be a bust when he was drafted as an 18yo (basically, straight out of high school), brought over two years later, and has since been ravaged by injuries, including the ankle last year that was misdiagnosed and took him out for the season? are you gonna blame him for the misdiagnosis too? Jeez, give the kid a chance.
Comparing him to Darko, who has actually been playing for most of the time he's been in the NBA, is garbage. Mahinmi tore up the DL in 2007-8 and obviously has talent, now we'll see whether it's NBA-level talent. Think of him as a kid coming out of four-year college - that's a much better comparison than Darko.
As for the 2005 draft - hindsight is always 20/20, that says absolutely nothing about Mahinmi's potential going forward.
I've always wished that Jeff "the Enforcer" Foster was a Spur. He's not the most talented guy out there, but he outhustles anyone. He also has a pretty slick dunk over Corey Maggette that I never get sick of seeing.
To steal Ruff's abbreviation, Bonley for Foster would be a great pickup.
Would the Rockets even be willing to give up Battier? Mostly because him and Ariza play the same position? Those two would be beasts on the perimeter for Houston.
Last season was his first opportunity to get minutes with the Spurs. Before that he was stuck behind a logjam of bigs. By all accounts the Spurs intended for him to get minutes last season, with Bonner as the 5th big. Factor in Oberto's decline and he could very well have had a shot at being the 1st big off the bench before the Spurs added Gooden.
I fail to see how Mahinmi, coming off a successful NBDL season in 2007-08, is somehow on the way out simply because due to injury and roster limitations he hasn't progressed as fast as some fans would like.
I don't see the Spurs trading for a PG, but I do think they'll look to pick someone up on a league min deal just for insurance. I'm not worried about the Spurs going into next season committed to the idea of making George Hill the backup PG. If the Spurs are going to trade I think they're going to be targeting a traditional center ala Foster, or a perimeter defender ala Raja.
While I don't doubt that RC is doing his due diligence in exploring trade opportunities ultimately, I don't see a trade happening. At least not one that isn't just a salary dump of Finley and/or Bonner. I'm certainly all in favor of RC pulling something off, but in all likelihood I think the roster is pretty much set with the only task remaining being a sifting through the various youngins and league min vets to round out the last couple of roster spots.
side note:
there are some type of players, that are just looking like spurs...characterwise but also just coz of their playing style (defense players)...just those players you are trading for in 3 of 4 NBA2K seasons, coz you think, they are perfect guys for our enviroment...most of the times, exactly those guys became spurs at one point in their career...here ist the list:
hits:
latest one...Antonio McDyess
Michael Finley
Kurt Thomas
Jacque Vaughn (hate be, but I always thought he belongs here)
Charles Smith
Doc Rivers
misses:
Grand Hill
Eric Snow (I think a week shooter like him never was a good complement to Avery)
Loy Vaught (always wanted him next to Robinson)...maybe if he hadn't had these injuries problems which cut his career short
next one...Shane Battier! :-)...I'm not saying he will come here this year or next year, but my hit average is pretty good (hey more than 50% right while the spurs only own about 1/30 of the NBA players) and I see him coming here before his career ends!
Time will tell.
I aspire to be completely wrong about Mahinmi but the tea leaves point otherwise. The French national team doesn't know he exits. No major Euro team wants him. No NBA team will trade for him. To the basketball world, he's Jackie Butler with an accent.
Spurs fans, alone, have any faith in him.
That said, hopefully he breaks out in the summer league and becomes the answer to the Spurs' search for an athletic big.
Yeah, i think, they wuld be perfect complements next to Yao...and If Brooks can keep it up, they can either have a penetration game or an inside-out game with two of the best roleplayers in terms of shoot+defend at the wings.
I don't see a problem with them next to each other...especially if they can get another creator for T-Mac (sounds stupid, coz T-Mac should be the perfect fit himself, but cant get it done)
btw.: of course I didnt trade for Vaught in NBA2K...at that time people hat do play NBA Live
Because only Spurs fans know he still exists. That has more to do with being out with injury than a proposed lack of skill by you. Unless fans of other teams watched him in France, or with the Toros, how would they even know him, let alone have faith in him?
Your making quite a few assumptions. He is under contract with an NBA team and as such no European team is going to bother trying to try and make him renege on his contract.
You also do not know how much trade value he has. The Spurs FO is notorious for keeping any and all discussions about trades and the like on the down low. For all we know, several NBA teams have inquired about his availability. He was Presti's pet cat for example.
Also not being on the French national team does not equate to them having no interest in him. Its quite possible that him playing pretty much all year long in various leagues while he develops has something to do with him not being on the national team.
I don't understand why so many Spurs fans are obsessing with the idea that the Spurs need "length to contend with the Lakers". Sure, the Lakers are a tall team but it's mostly finesse size. Gasol, Odom and Bynum aren't power players.
In fact, those who watched the playoffs should realize that it was the midget Rockets who gave those bigs the most trouble. 6-foot-5 Chuck Hayes was probably the best defender in the playoffs against Gasol.
To beat the Lakers, I think you need bigs with strength and quickness. You can push around their bigs a bit if you have the right personnel. I think the Spurs realized this and that's why they've talked about toughness at power forward as their goal in acquisitions rather than just going after giant centers with size.
A key for matching up against the Lakers will be Blair. If he can improve his defense and learn to be a physical defender without fouling, he has the body type to do well against both Gasol and Bynum. McDyess should be good against Gasol and Bynum. Haislip has the skillset that makes me think he was brought in with Odom in mind.
Meh. I wouldn't match that if I were the Spurs. This time last year, Dahntay Jones was playing in summer league trying to keep his basketball career alive. He had a good season but his offense is highly limited.
On top of that, he was horrible at guarding Kobe in the playoffs. Kobe lit him up. He could easily shoot over Jones and also beat him to the basket. George Karl saw what was happening and rarely put Jones on Kobe in the second half of games. He'd even put AC on Kobe late in games before Jones.
Jones did fine work against CP3 but if the Spurs spend that kind of money on a perimeter defender, they have a pulse when it comes to defending Kobe.
I just don't see a move. Maybe there might be a possibility close to the trade deadline. The only thing that I see that makes any sense is Raja, and I can't think of someone else with a decent contract resembling his skills that would be available.
I believe they are going to let the roster show what it can do. If they believe with that roster there are holes, they'll make a push.
The big questions are really defense related to guys like: Blair and Haislip, and if he does join, Gist. Blair most so for defense down low and what Gist/Haislip might be able to do with Dirk, Odom, etc.
The biggest hole, to me, is at a real reserve PG. I just don't see Mason or Hill carrying anything but spot minutes and I hope Mason isn't. When Tony went down last season, I don't see it as a big problem this season, so maybe it isn't really an issue. So, maybe I am wrong about a reserve PG.
Let's see what sticks first.
Me too. I know people want to include Finley just to get rid of both of them. But where would Mason get minutes with Bell here? He can hit the open 3 just like Mason but brings way better defense.
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