Exactly.
Since his name is ANTONIO MCDYESS, which bears no resemblance to "Michael" or "Mike", why don't we all agree not to refer to him as "Big Mike"?
Why? Why not crucify you? Part of you obviously thinks T-Mac, first round veteran, would somehow fit here. He wouldn't... in any way. Bad, baaaaaad call.
Consider yourself gently crucified.
You should also be crucified, but I can't be bothered.
The name doth NOT maketh the man.
Clips will probably keep Camby for the moment - Kaman, Camby, Griffin is their big rotation since Randolph was shipped. He might become available towards the deadline if they like what DeAndre Jordan is showing them.
Webster is pretty much a spot up shooter, earns ~5mil, contract goes to end of 2012. What do you see as his role?
Maggette, no freakin way, even if we had the contracts to get him. Overpaid until 2013 (9-11mil per) and breaking down as we speak. Also, one-dimensional. We traded for RJ, yeah?
I don't get the Mason-bashing either. Dead-eye from 3, can spot up from 2. I remember him draining plenty of spot ups, and his Hot Spot chart confirms it. His D will improve after a year in the system - that happens with just about every new Spur.
Spot on. Let Gordon go, so they're going to trade their other starting SG?
The only problem with that is that they can't actually trade that 2010 first rounder until after the selection is made. They traded their 2009 first rounder for Thomas, and you can't trade your actual pick two years in a row. That's why the Spurs usually set up a deal in advance, pick the player for the other team, and then trade that player's rights after they are picked. At one point, a former owner of the Cavs had traded like his next 4-5 first rounders for a bunch of has been drug addict players and the league stepped in to stop teams from completely mortgaging their futures.
Well, trade them every other year for the next century!
No but seriously, I'd trade Bonner, Finley, Splitter and first, not all together but some combination, for an elite wing defender, but two way player as well.
First on the list is Raja Bell,
Second is Shane Battier.
I'd do it in a second.
That would really give the Spurs the edge against the Lakers.
Last edited by poeticism707; 07-11-2009 at 12:06 AM.
By my count we have 12 slots filled on the roster. I thought we could only carry 13, but maybe I am wrong and the number is 14. I'm quite sure it is not 15.
So the 12 we have:
PG: Parker/Hill
SG: Manu/Mason
SF: Jefferson/Finley/Bonner
PF: Duncan/Blair/Haislip
C: Ian/Dice
Maybe either Bonner or Haislip can play some SF I figure. If Haislip can play some 3 that will be nice because we may then see little if any of Bonner/Finley.
That leaves only 1-2 more spots. So i think it's Hairston/Williams/Gist/McClinton vying for those. Only way to avoid leaving 2-3 of them off the roster is trade Bonner/Finley/and possibly Mason for 1-2 (fewer players).
Main point here is absent a trade of two of those three, we probably only have one more roster spot, two at the most. Hairston/Williams/Gist/McClinton are longshots to make the team. Assuming no trade, I'd say we roster one of them and then another may get some 10-day looks, if I am understanding the situation correctly.
That's really a stacked looking roster to me. Still a possibiity of bringing in a veteran center via a trade. Would like to keep Mason around if possible, even if a McClinton were to emerge at SG. Should be fun to see who gets the last few roster spots, possible that no more deals happen.
Amazing that only 7 remain from last year, and that number could drop to even 4 or 3. Not saying I expect a Mason or Hill trade, but I'd say that number could easily drop to 5, 50/50 that Bonner/Finley stay with the team.
Unless/until Ian pans out or we get a replacement C, we need to hang onto Splitter's rights one more year and try to bring him in 2010. We're relying on some young and unproven players for C/PF depth, making the Dice signing all the more critical. Until Ian/Blair/Haislip question marks are answered, I'll be leaning towards more depth at C before I worry about SF. The big Lakers front line, after all, is our main obstacle at this point. I'd agree that Bell and Battier would be nice additions though, and to take them if we could.
Last edited by Knoxxx; 07-10-2009 at 11:53 PM.
Excellent write up!
Do you think Ian is guaranteed to make the roster? It seems if he does not seriously show something this SL, he may be cut. I hope he does.
Let's say Ian earns a roster spot. I would think Hairston would have a spot as well as he's already been partially guaranteed, but I don't like the idea of McClinton not making the team, unless he totally bombs in SL.
Of course, if Ian doesn't prove himself, then both Hairston and McClinton will likely make the team, but we'll still with Ian had as well.
Anyway, I hope they all have such a PHENOMENAL performance, that Pop is forced to make one or two 2 for 1 deals just to make room!
Just because Matt Bonner plays small doesn't make him a small forward.
Bonner is mostly solid, but not more.
You can carry 15 on a team and up to 12 can dress and are eligible to play each night. The 12 can be different night in and night out.
You should factor that 15 number into your analysis, though it won't necessarily apply if you start talking about who you actually think will get playing time (likely 9 or 10 with regular minutes).
Ian has more guaranteed money owed to him this year than McClinton, Gist, Hairston, Williams, and even Haislip...he's not getting cut.
And I don't think anyone without a fully guaranteed contract playing in the summer league outside of probably Blair is "guaranteed" to make the roster....that includes Hairston, Williams, Gist, and McClinton.
That's going to be rough on a few guys.
Eh...not really. They'll still get a decent shot at making the roster.
Vaughn hasn't been re-signed, so there's a chance for McClinton to take that backcourt spot (even though he'd be a SG not a PG).
Udoka hasn't been re-signed, so there's a chance for Hairston to take that wing spot.
Fab hasn't been re-signed, so there's a chance for Gist to take a frontcourt spot.
There's also a chance that Marcus Williams isn't brought back, so there's another potential spot.
Having said that, if the Spurs don't think all or any of those respective guys are ready, I'm sure they won't hesitate to try and bring back a reliable veteran like Vaughn, Bowen, Udoka or Fab.
But as of right now...it's all in their hands.
Exactly.
Since his name is ANTONIO MCDYESS, which bears no resemblance to "Michael" or "Mike", why don't we all agree not to refer to him as "Big Mike"?
Why? Why not crucify you? Part of you obviously thinks T-Mac, first round veteran, would somehow fit here. He wouldn't... in any way. Bad, baaaaaad call.
Consider yourself gently crucified.
You should also be crucified, but I can't be bothered.
The name doth NOT maketh the man.
Clips will probably keep Camby for the moment - Kaman, Camby, Griffin is their big rotation since Randolph was shipped. He might become available towards the deadline if they like what DeAndre Jordan is showing them.
Webster is pretty much a spot up shooter, earns ~5mil, contract goes to end of 2012. What do you see as his role?
Maggette, no freakin way, even if we had the contracts to get him. Overpaid until 2013 (9-11mil per) and breaking down as we speak. Also, one-dimensional. We traded for RJ, yeah?
I don't get the Mason-bashing either. Dead-eye from 3, can spot up from 2. I remember him draining plenty of spot ups, and his Hot Spot chart confirms it. His D will improve after a year in the system - that happens with just about every new Spur.
Spot on. Let Gordon go, so they're going to trade their other starting SG?
The way the team is constructed now and with what the Spurs have to offer - NO! But maybe a 3rd team could get involved. It's not like it's never happened before.
I'm just throwing what I think may be plausible and doing the old brain or blame storming thing. My GM and head coach experience is limited solely to what I read on this forum.
Pipe dream, but what caught my eye other then I've loved Salmons game from the time the Spurs drafted him and traded his rights away. What really surprised me is that according Hoyle Hollinger, Salmons PER is higher then players like, oh I don't know, like Ron Artest, Trevor Ariza and this guy named Richard Jefferson. The guy is a baller and for those who have watched him I'm sure will agree.
But like the poster noted, after losing Gordon it would take a lot, probably much more then what the Spurs can offer to make this happen. Too bad because that would have been the answer to the long, athletic 3 who can score in bunches but mainly is a more then capable defender.
I was wondering how Salmons matched up against Kobe, but I don't know where the player vs player web site is. Can anyone help out on old altar boy?
I would probably want Foster over Gortat because of his shorter contract...but yes, it would be fun to bring him in and give Cuban the finger.
Magic have their own version of Matt Bonner in Ryan Anderson, who can develop into something more.
They would probably sign a Finley for the vet min if he were avilable, he would probably be of some value to them.
But in a trade the Magic would definately want some size back, which the Spurs havent got outside of Duncan.
Does anyone envision the Spurs revisiting the Camby trade from last February if Ian has a bad summer league? Or trading for the likes of Jeff Foster or Gortat (now that his offer from the Mavs has been matched)? And when the does Dice get into town? I haven't heard anything about this yet.
Last edited by TFloss32; 07-13-2009 at 08:18 PM.
Ick, Gortat. I would not want to trade Bonner and Finley for Gortat...
or Foster
Wait, just imagine the Mav fans' meltdown if that happened. It might be worth it just for that.Ick, Gortat. I would not want to trade Bonner and Finley for Gortat...
Wait, just imagine the Mav fans' meltdown if that happened. It might be worth it just for that.
Or better still, why not "Big Mac"?Exactly.
Since his name is ANTONIO MCDYESS, which bears no resemblance to "Michael" or "Mike", why don't we all agree not to refer to him as "Big Mike"?
?
I would say MC DICE, like mc hammer
The case of the disappearing roster spots.
1
Parker
Hill
2
Ginobili
Mason
Hairston
McClinton
3
Jefferson
Finley
Williams
4
Duncan
Blair
Bonner
Haislip
Gist
5
McDyess
Mahinmi
That's 16 players. Yes, Blair and McClinton have yet to sign and Williams' contract is non-guaranteed for next season, but at least the early indications are that the Spurs intend on having each one on the roster next season (otherwise the press conference for McClinton was a cruel joke). Gist reportedly said that he was going to be with the Spurs this season and would make for a fine Toro, as would McClinton.
All signs are pointing to some kind of trade on the Spurs' part, with the two most likely candidates being Bonner and Finley. I think they'll look for a 2 for 1 deal, though they could include Williams and make it a 3 for 1, which could be enticing for a trade partner looking to cut payroll this season. Still, one wonders if the Spurs would go with two young players like Hairston and Williams as their 4th and 5th swingmen to open the season. The Spurs have yet to use their LLE and apparently have $1.3 mil of their MLE to use as well. You'd think they would look at using one of those to sign Blair and the other to find some kind of defensive minded swingman.
From Mark Stein:
"• The Milwaukee Bucks continue to make Bruce Bowen's $4 million expiring contract available, but word is no trade is close. If the Bucks don't strike a deal in the next two weeks, Bowen will be waived by Aug. 1 at a cost of just $2 million, making him a free agent sure to interest various rivals of the San Antonio Spurs since Bowen is not expected to return to the silver and black. "
So it was Stein who I read that from before. I wonder where he's getting that from.
I was wondering if someone could explain something to me; Bonner & Fin both have expiring contracts right? I would think that teams that want to clear cap space in order to be ready for all the elite FA's in 2010 would have their noses so far up RC's behind trying to get a trade done. Once the trade is done & Bonner and Fin pass their physicals their new team could either use these two serviceable players, they could cut them or trade them.
If that is correct then a trade of Bonner, Fin and Williams to the Kings for Nocioni would work, provided Kings management is all for it. I'd love to keep Mason because he's about 5 or 6 yrs younger and frankly at this point I think he is a better offensive player.
Defensively, is there a way or web site where a players defensive efficiency can be measured.
I'd appreciate the help, some of you guys are freaking GM's and understand the nuances and dynamics of understanding and manipulating players and money within the CBA in the process of trying to build a better team.
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