Hollinger: San Antonio is not a given to beat Dallas

[MarHill]

I have to do some myth busting here.

Rogue, a Mavsfan, in the NBA Forum posted that the Spurs were a senile squad. Lakers fans and many others have posted the same thing!!

Myth Busters #1: Spurs are not a senile squad.

Blair: Age 20
Bonner: Age 29
Duncan: Age 33
Finley: Age 36
Ginobili: Age 31
Gist: Age 23 (when the season starts birthday in Oct)
Hairston: Age 22
Haislip: Age 28
Hill: Age 23
Jefferson: Age 29
Mahinmi: Age 22
Mason: Age 28 (when the season starts-birthday in Sept)
McClinton: Age 24
McDyess: Age 35 (when the season starts-birthday in Sept)
Parker: Age 27

11 of 15 players under the Age of 30

9 of those 11 players are 28 or younger

4 of 15 players are over 30

The Spurs are a senile squad.....hmmm!!

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story!!

[wut]

ok next, anyone wanna do the research on avg age of the other " le contenders"? ..would be interesting; and then to email it to Hollinger.

[MarHill]

Rogue, a Mavsfan, also posted in the same thread that the Mavs have dominated the Spurs and the Southwest Division.

Myth Buster #2: Mavs have not dominated the Spurs and the SW Division.

Playoff series: Spurs and Mavs have faced each other 4 times in the playoffs since 2000.

1) 2000-2001 Spurs won the series 4-1 (1st round)

2) 2002-2003 Spurs won the series 4-2 (WCF)

3) 2005-2006 Mavs won the series 4-3 (WC Semis)

4) 2008-2009 Mavs won the series 4-1 (1st Round)

Each team has won 2 series a piece!! Hmm.....


Division les: The Southwest Division started in the 2004-2005 season.

1) 2004-2005 (Spurs won the division 59-23 record)

2) 2005-2006 (Spurs won the division 63-19 record)

3) 2006-2007 (Mavs won the division 67-15 record)

4) 2007-2008 (Hornets won the division 56-26 record, Spurs had the same record but lost the tiebreaker)

5) 2008-2009 (Spurs won the division 54-28 record)


Spurs won the SW Division 3 of the 5 years and the 2 years they didn't win...they came in second place.

Mavs won the SW Division 1 of the 5 years and the 4 years they didnt win...they came in 2nd place twice, 3rd place once, and 4th place once.

But the Mavs have dominated the SW Division?

Hmmm.....again, never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

BTW, I enjoy reading good stories and I'm a big reader of novels. But, I like my fiction to be fiction and facts to be facts!!! LOL!!

[45 bank shot]

I think we have the upper hand against the Mavs.
However, we do need to be cautious about that because the mavs sometimes play exceptionally well against us

[MarHill]

I think we have the upper hand against the Mavs.
However, we do need to be cautious about that because the mavs sometimes play exceptionally well against us

45 bank shot,

I would agree that the Mavs have played well against the Spurs. No question about that!

But he said the Mavs have dominated the Spurs and the division.

And the facts don't show that.....Sorry!!!

[45 bank shot]

45 bank shot,

I would agree that the Mavs have played well against the Spurs. No question about that!

But he said the Mavs have dominated the Spurs and the division.

And the facts don't show that.....Sorry!!!

lol ye apparently Hollinger hates the spurs but he sometimes tries to cover it by giving limited props to us.
Afterall, the playoffs matchup record between us and the mavs is 2:2 in this decade

[will_spurs]

I think one can't analyze what the Spurs are doing with statistics, gotta watch the game and try to understand what's going on - that's probably why Hollinger hates the Spurs so much.

[SouthTexasRancher]

Hollinger was an Idiot.

Hollinger is an Idiot.

Hollinger will forever be known as an Idiot.

[poeticism707]

Hollinger was an Idiot.

Hollinger is an Idiot.

Hollinger will forever be known as an Idiot.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Hollinger is interesting - the guy clearly knows the NBA inside out, understand the cap, gets the way teams trade and assemble their rosters, yet he is also clearly disposed to hating on some teams, and the Spurs are one of those teams. I wouldn't just right his analysis off though, because he's right more often than he's wrong.

I think a number of his comments about us were odd and made little sense, but he's spot on about one thing - Timmy's knees are our greatest concern. As I understand it, tendonosis is a degenerative condition, and for the last 3 months of last season he was playing at about 60%. It will be difficult for us to make the Finals, let alone win them, if that happens again.

For the coming season we really need to wrap Tim and Manu in cotton wool - play them 30 and 24 mins respectively until March, regular rest on b-2-bs, etc. It's time for Pop to adjust to the age of his most important players and tap the depth of this roster. I hope he plays it right.

[Spurtacus]

Hollinger is interesting - the guy clearly knows the NBA inside out, understand the cap, gets the way teams trade and assemble their rosters, yet he is also clearly disposed to hating on some teams, and the Spurs are one of those teams. I wouldn't just right his analysis off though, because he's right more often than he's wrong.

I think a number of his comments about us were odd and made little sense, but he's spot on about one thing - Timmy's knees are our greatest concern. As I understand it, tendonosis is a degenerative condition, and for the last 3 months of last season he was playing at about 60%. It will be difficult for us to make the Finals, let alone win them, if that happens again.

For the coming season we really need to wrap Tim and Manu in cotton wool - play them 30 and 24 mins respectively until March, regular rest on b-2-bs, etc. It's time for Pop to adjust to the age of his most important players and tap the depth of this roster. I hope he plays it right.

Great post.

I hope with Dice, Mahinmi, Blair we can limit Timmy's minutes to around 30 per game average for the season. Last season was his second lowest at 33.6. It has to come down more.

[WildcardManu]

I have to do some myth busting here.

Rogue, a Mavsfan, in the NBA Forum posted that the Spurs were a senile squad. Lakers fans and many others have posted the same thing!!

Myth Busters #1: Spurs are not a senile squad.

Blair: Age 20
Bonner: Age 29
Duncan: Age 33
Finley: Age 36
Ginobili: Age 31
Gist: Age 23 (when the season starts birthday in Oct)
Hairston: Age 22
Haislip: Age 28
Hill: Age 23
Jefferson: Age 29
Mahinmi: Age 22
Mason: Age 28 (when the season starts-birthday in Sept)
McClinton: Age 24
McDyess: Age 35 (when the season starts-birthday in Sept)
Parker: Age 27

11 of 15 players under the Age of 30

9 of those 11 players are 28 or younger

4 of 15 players are over 30

The Spurs are a senile squad.....hmmm!!

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story!!

That just tells us one thing. The sheep still listen and say what BSPN says, or they stopped watching tv and don't want to face the fact that the spurs have shed a couple of years from their group.

[WildcardManu]

Hollinger was an Idiot.

Hollinger is an Idiot.

Hollinger will forever be known as an Idiot.

The village just called, they're looking for their idiot.

[sribb43]

Mavs/Spurs will be a dog fight once again. Both teams have made great moves. Injuries played a part in the playoffs last season for both teams..Manu was out and J-Ho was playing on eggs s with his ankles.

We all know how Mavs players step there game up 10x when they see a spurs uniform

[urunobili]

Mavs/Spurs will be a dog fight once again. Both teams have made great moves. Injuries played a part in the playoffs last season for both teams..Manu was out and J-Ho was playing on eggs s with his ankles.

We all know how Mavs players step there game up 10x when they see a spurs uniform

It's great they have that special fuel against us... doesn't seem to work to get you guys a ring though...

[Road House Captain]

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/27361

Louis (San Antonio)


Even with Marion, Mavs can't touch the Spurs, right?
John Hollinger
(3:15 PM)


Um, you watched the playoffs this year, right? San Antonio obviously will be better adding Manu, Jefferson and McDyess to that crew, but I don't think it's a given that they beat out Dallas.

Well he had to write something.............

[sribb43]

It's great they have that special fuel against us... doesn't seem to work to get you guys a ring though...

ya mentally were so strong against you guys...everyone else, well its a different story

[spurspokesman]

Hollinger is not a given to give quality opinions.


Hollinger IS a given to beat his meat

[Extra Stout]

Hollinger is interesting - the guy clearly knows the NBA inside out, understand the cap, gets the way teams trade and assemble their rosters, yet he is also clearly disposed to hating on some teams, and the Spurs are one of those teams. I wouldn't just right his analysis off though, because he's right more often than he's wrong.

Hollinger does not understand the NBA inside-out. He understands anything that can be reduced to rules and numbers. So, he demonstrates expertise in the details of the salary cap. He devises formulas to try to quantify players and teams, with mixed results. His greatest fallacy is that he believes that by devising a formula for how good a player or team is, that his results are by definition dispassionate and objective. The fallacy is obvious, because his models are by definition subjective and unprovable. He also fails to adjust his models when the results defy common sense.

I think a number of his comments about us were odd and made little sense, but he's spot on about one thing - Timmy's knees are our greatest concern. As I understand it, tendonosis is a degenerative condition, and for the last 3 months of last season he was playing at about 60%. It will be difficult for us to make the Finals, let alone win them, if that happens again.

That was my understanding for a while. It turns out it is incorrect. Tendonosis can be corrected with rest and therapy in 80% of cases. This therapy consists of low-intensity exercise of the tendon, and of deep massage to break up the disordered collagen, and to remind the body that the tendon is still injured so that the body kickstarts the healing process again with normal collagen. Only 20% of cases are chronic and degenerative.

For the coming season we really need to wrap Tim and Manu in cotton wool - play them 30 and 24 mins respectively until March, regular rest on b-2-bs, etc. It's time for Pop to adjust to the age of his most important players and tap the depth of this roster. I hope he plays it right.

I think the minutes will be more like 32 and 28 respectively, and that those numbers won't change until the playoffs. Giving one or the other guy the night off on back-to-backs I expect to be a staple of the upcoming season.

[RobinsontoDuncan]

Did all of you forget that Hollinger was the only person on the planet (that wasn't a Spurs fan (and even among them there were quite a few doubters, myself included)) that predicted the Spurs win the Championship in 2007 before the Mavs got knocked out?

Look I don't think he's necessarily right about the Spurs chances to be beat the Mavs, i give it at least a 65% chance, but I don't think he hates the Spurs. I just dont.

[weebo]

Did all of you forget that Hollinger was the only person on the planet (that wasn't a Spurs fan (and even among them there were quite a few doubters, myself included)) that predicted the Spurs win the Championship in 2007 before the Mavs got knocked out?

Look I don't think he's necessarily right about the Spurs chances to be beat the Mavs, i give it at least a 65% chance, but I don't think he hates the Spurs. I just dont.

I don't think Hollinger hates the Spurs either. I just think he really likes the Spurs a lot less than all the other teams in the league.

[Amarelooms]

What's the big deal here...this is not something we didn't know...it's like saying the sun is hot. Mavs just matchup well with the Spurs. Even if the Spurs win...it would be a battle and they would be too worn out to advance much further.

[jack0fspeed]

The important thing here is that the rivalry is alive and kicking. The Spurs upgraded. The Mavs upgraded. You know the compe ion is going to be fierce when we play each other.

You have to love it no matter who you root for.

[Duncan2177]

John Carr (Charleston, SC)

How do you think Antonio McDyess and Richard Jefferson will fit on the court with TD, TP, and Manu? Seems like a solid veteran 5 to have on the court during crunch time...
John Hollinger

Outstanding starting five, I agree, and the pieces fit together pretty well since McDyess can shoot and Jefferson has become fairly proficient at that corner 3. And having Mason and Bonner off the bench as snipers is a nice luxury too. But that's another old team trying to hold it together, much like Dallas.

But that's another old team trying to hold it together, much like Dallas? BS Does this idiot know that the spurs got a steal in the draft this year? Hey Hollinger we just got younger adding Blair and Jefferson. you Hollinger

[HarlemHeat37]

Hollinger doesn't hate anybody, his opinion is completely based on his calculations and formulas, so you're basically angry at his numbers..

I also don't take offense to this..Dallas has a great roster right now, the 3rd best in the West IMO..they also have a lot of confidence when they go up against us, since they've beaten us in the playoffs multiple times..they match up well..