The 2009 Greek NT thread

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

And what happens when your hero gets beaten?

When Greece wins once again everyone here will make up a fantasy world where it never happened. Just like the fantasy world that they never beat USA is created by the NBA fans.

[Mel_13]

When Greece wins once again everyone here will make up a fantasy world where it never happened. Just like the fantasy world that they never beat USA is created by the NBA fans.

From what I saw in the first round, I expect Greece to win this tournament.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

These snapshots from these offseason exhibition games will prove nothing. Spanoulis can only prove he is among the best guards in the world by playing against them in the world's best league. Until then it is all idle speculation.

Even in the context of this tournament, the France-Greece game in the qualifying round is likely to be relatively meaningless as both teams will probably have already secured a spot in quarterfinals. So you're covered either way. If Spanoulis plays well, you'll be spewing your typical crap. If he plays poorly, you'll tell us that Greece didn't care about the game because they were already in the quarters.

As I've said before, Spanoulis has the talent to play in the NBA. If he wants to erase his existing record as an NBA failure, he'll have to return to the NBA to do it. He can win Euroleague championships and MVPs and lead Greece to European championships and he will still be an NBA failure until he actually succeeds in the NBA. This is a self-evident truth and cannot be refuted by any youtube video clips or collection of statistics from lower level compe ions.

You ign IDIOT

"Exhibition games"

Hey guess what do NOT ever bring up team USA again. Your 2008 Olympics gold is a god damn JOKE and a POS worthless JOKE because it is an "exhibition game".


He TEAM USA maybe one day you will not be a ing god damn laughing stock maybe just maybe one day the NBA will be lucky enough to make a team that can win a real game instead of just the pathetic exhibition games. In their history they so far have never managed to ever win even a single non exhibition game.


It truly is incredibly sad and pathetic that a person who claims to be a native speak does not even know what BASIC English words like "exhibition" mean. Damn you are so ing re ed. I really am sorry for you.

[Mel_13]

You ign IDIOT

"Exhibition games"

Hey guess what do NOT ever bring up team USA again. Your 2008 Olympics gold is a god damn JOKE and a POS worthless JOKE because it is an "exhibition game".


He TEAM USA maybe one day you will not be a ing god damn laughing stock maybe just maybe one day the NBA will be lucky enough to make a team that can win a real game instead of just the pathetic exhibition games. In their history they so far have never managed to ever win even a single non exhibition game.


It truly is incredibly sad and pathetic that a person who claims to be a native speak does not even know what BASIC English words like "exhibition" mean. Damn you are so ing re ed. I really am sorry for you.

Calm down Billy. Don't want KBP to get HBP. These games garner much interest and excite the emotions of NT followers, but they are what they are.

Judging Spanoulis, or any other player, by how they perform in these games is ridiculous. They are offseason games played by groups of players who forms teams for a short period of time. The players then go back to their club teams. Some go back to teams that play in the world's best league, while others, like Spanoulis, go back to teams that play in lesser leagues.

I believe Spanoulis has the talent to play in the world's best league against the world's best compe ion. Sadly, like all native born Greek basketballers to this point in time, he chooses not to. As he is still in his prime, I still remain hopeful that Spanoulis will eventually accept the challenge.

[Mel_13]

Aw Billy, going to the French NT thread to cry and misrepresent. Back in the good old days you could have started a new thread about it. I won't help you thread crap over there. I'm quite happy with this thread that was created just for you.

The discussion here is about the Greek NT. Please stay on topic and in the correct thread. Thanks.


Edit: Also in the Slovenian NT thread

[benefactor]

http://www.cityofmountainhome.com/

[manufan10]

Arkansas sure is pretty.

[ata]

Spanoulis is not a true PG. Nothing similar to Nash's style. He is more of a Monta Ellis type of player.

I know that - tell this to his follower: http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84505

[mathbzh]

Just one thing about the Parker stats.

Collet asked him not to be too aggressive in the first half. In the first half, his role as a scorer is to force things when there are 5 seconds left and France doesn't find a solution.
This explain why his FG% is so low compared to his usual stats.

But when he turns the aggressive mode on and play a bit more for himself he can score at will and with very good %. Moreover, it is not the same thing to score at 50% in an 80+ points game and in a 60 points game... or there are a lot of great scorer in Golden State or Phoenix (RIP).

Really, Parker has nothing to prove has a scorer in the FIBA game (or in the NBA).

That said, this is a stupid debate. In the FIBA, Spanoulis is a great player. He is not a true PG or did not succeed in the NBA... so what?

[Macca76]

BULL

Spanoulis has better stats than Parker so far


Tony Parker stats:


33.3 MPG


36.7 FG%
21.1 3 PT FG%
70.4 FT%


19.7 PPG
4.3 RPG
3.7 APG


2.7 SPG
3.0 TOPG


Player Ranking: +20.8
Player Ranking Per Minute: +1.87


Vassilis Spanoulis stats:


25.3 MPG


56.0 FG%
37.5 3 PT FG%
93.8 FT%


15.3 PPG
2.0 RPG
3.7 APG


1.3 SPG
4.0 TOPG


Player Ranking: +21.3
Player Ranking Per Minute: +2.53


Spanoulis is +.5 in player game production and doing this even though he is playing in 8 less minutes. Also in per minute production he is 26% more productive than Parker so far.

Spanoulis BY FACT is better so far because he is better both overall per minute and even not counting per minute in Larry Bird game rating (this is consider by all stats people as THE stat that judge who is best player)

And only a ing moron with a IQ of 80 would rather have Parker's shooting of

36.7 FG%
21.1 3 PT FG%
70.4 FT%[/b]

over Spanoulis' shooting of

56.0 FG%
37.5 3 PT FG%
93.8 FT%


ing idiots.

First I believed you lied about the stats. TP FG% is 46.7 not 36.7 ! But then I checked Spanoulis' stats and FG % is 64.7% not 56% ! The rest of your stats is correct so where did you get your stats ?
And where did you get these PER stats ?

After 3 games :
TP's stats http://www.eurobasket2009.org/en/cid...rID_28162.html

Spanoulis' stats :
http://www.eurobasket2009.org/en/cid...rID_35533.html

Truth is, I didn't see Sapnoulis play but so far TP is doing great, especially in the clutch. We'll see next week (game is tuesday) how they perform against each other.

[sabar]

He is the best point guard in the planet right now.

You can't make this stuff up.



Also pretty sure that after that sentence you have no grounds on which to claim where the word "exhibition" may be used.

[mathbzh]

And if we are judging statistics in different games, with different pace, different game plan... let's have a look at Parker's game against Turkey (a contender for this Euro) in the qualifications:
2 games, 67 minutes, 69 pts (26/38 FG 5/10 3pts 12/16 FT), 11 rbd, 5 ast, 3stl, 3TO.
And two loss...
Really... Parker has nothing to prove as a scorer.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

And if we are judging statistics in different games, with different pace, different game plan... let's have a look at Parker's game against Turkey (a contender for this Euro) in the qualifications:
2 games, 67 minutes, 69 pts (26/38 FG 5/10 3pts 12/16 FT), 11 rbd, 5 ast, 3stl, 3TO.
And two loss...
Really... Parker has nothing to prove as a scorer.

The qualifications? LMFAO.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I know that - tell this to his follower: http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84505

off. This guy leads Greek league in assists in 2008. He leads Euroleague in assists average from playoffs this year. He leads Greek national team in assists at 2008 Olympics qualifiers and 2008 Olympics. he leads Greek national team in assists at EuroBasket 2009.


Amazing considering he is "not a point guard".

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Just one thing about the Parker stats.

Collet asked him not to be too aggressive in the first half. In the first half, his role as a scorer is to force things when there are 5 seconds left and France doesn't find a solution.
This explain why his FG% is so low compared to his usual stats.

But when he turns the aggressive mode on and play a bit more for himself he can score at will and with very good %. Moreover, it is not the same thing to score at 50% in an 80+ points game and in a 60 points game... or there are a lot of great scorer in Golden State or Phoenix (RIP).

Really, Parker has nothing to prove has a scorer in the FIBA game (or in the NBA).

That said, this is a stupid debate. In the FIBA, Spanoulis is a great player. He is not a true PG or did not succeed in the NBA... so what?

Yes this is great post. Actually a smart Spurs fan. Kudos to you sir.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

First I believed you lied about the stats. TP FG% is 46.7 not 36.7 ! But then I checked Spanoulis' stats and FG % is 64.7% not 56% ! The rest of your stats is correct so where did you get your stats ?
And where did you get these PER stats ?

After 3 games :
TP's stats http://www.eurobasket2009.org/en/cid...rID_28162.html

Spanoulis' stats :
http://www.eurobasket2009.org/en/cid...rID_35533.html

Truth is, I didn't see Sapnoulis play but so far TP is doing great, especially in the clutch. We'll see next week (game is tuesday) how they perform against each other.

You counted field goals wrong. Check again those links you gave.

[Mel_13]

Parker has proved himself in 8 years of compe ion in the world's top league.

Spanoulis failed there. His statistics in lower levels of compe ion cannot change that simple fact.

[sonic21]

off. This guy leads Greek league in assists in 2008.He leads Euroleague in assists average from playoffs this year.

what's his stat in the nba?

He leads Greek national team in assists at 2008 Olympics qualifiers and 2008 Olympics.

3 ast/game at the olympics. wow

he leads Greek national team in assists at EuroBasket 2009.

3.7 ast wow

Amazing considering he is "not a point guard".

WOW

[Mel_13]

In the FIBA, Spanoulis is a great player. He is not a true PG or did not succeed in the NBA... so what?

Yes this is great post. Actually a smart Spurs fan. Kudos to you sir.

See, you agreed that Spanoulis is a great FIBA player, that he did not succeed in the NBA, and that he is not a true PG.

I agree with that as well.

By the time his career is over he may have achieved more in basketball than any NBA failure ever has.

[benefactor]

See, you agreed that Spanoulis is a great FIBA player, that he did not succeed in the NBA, and that he is not a true PG.

I agree with that as well.

By the time his career is over he may have achieved more in basketball than any NBA failure ever has.

[mountainballer]

Yes this is great post. Actually a smart Spurs fan. Kudos to you sir.

Thank you!

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

what's his stat in the nba?



3 ast/game at the olympics. wow



3.7 ast wow



WOW

Spanoulis averages same amount of assists as Parker in 8 LESS minutes. WOW WOW WOW maybe one day Parker will become a "point guard"

and this

http://www.euroleague.net/main/stati...c=1&category=5



1 PAPALOUKAS, THEODOROS 6.25
2 SPANOULIS, VASSILIS 5.50
3 PRIGIONI, PABLO 4.40


Not a "real point guard"

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

See, you agreed that Spanoulis is a great FIBA player, that he did not succeed in the NBA, and that he is not a true PG.

I agree with that as well.

By the time his career is over he may have achieved more in basketball than any NBA failure ever has.

He is a TRUE ing point guard you god damn pos.

[Mel_13]

He is a TRUE ing point guard you god damn pos.

Then why did you agree with post that said he was not?

[Macca76]

You counted field goals wrong. Check again those links you gave.

So where did you get your stats from ? You won't escape like that !

And I won't check the links, they're the official FIBA links/stats !