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I mean Ducan has only had Manu...it's not like Manu's ever done like beat Pop and the ing Dream Team, with Duncan on it, in the Olympics or anything. ing scrub is pretty much interchangeable with Vinny Del Negro.
That's ing funny, because I distincly remember Duncan getting a royal butt ing the previosu 2 years and the Spurs doing virtual roster turnover.
Did he just not care as much in 2001 and 2002, and 2004 and 2006 and 2008-09?
Stupid ing logic.
All you have to do is watch that run and you will countless times when teamates stepped up to win games that might not have been won without them.
And Duncan, then and pretty much now,. was never the guy drawing the toughest defensive asignment...
Pop doesn't even let Duncan guard Dirk Nowitski.
Name one ing thing Duncan has done on that court that Drob didn't.Duncan has a career winning percentage of over 70% in the regular season. Duncan did things Robinson could NEVER do on the court, and DRob will be the absolute first person to tell you that.
You cannot win an individual comparison between David Robinson and Tim Duncan...in fact about the only guys that might win that comparison against David are Wilt and Kareem.
Drob is the guy that lead the league in blocks, rebounding, scoring etc.
I mean if you are telling me you'd take Vinny Del Negro and Avery Johnson over Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili, you will not find a ing person in the league that will agree with you.
Wilt Chamberlain
So what about the year Wilt didn't make the playoffs and had a losing record?
I mean if Duncan can win les all by himself surely the greatest athlete in history can make the ing playoffs...or at least hit 500.
And remember, teamates don't count, the great ones just don't feel like winning les every year.
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Morons
I mean Ducan has only had Manu...it's not like Manu's ever done like beat Pop and the ing Dream Team, with Duncan on it, in the Olympics or anything. ing scrub is pretty much interchangeable with Vinny Del Negro.
You people are insane. Robinson had fantastic agility and coordination for his size but Dwight Howard looks and moves like he was created as part of some sort of genetic experiment.
The only other player I would put on par with Howard would be LeBron James.
Finals
MVP
3 Times
Eat it.
I love DRob, but when Duncan was getting "butt ed" by Shaq in 2001 and 2002, wasn't Robinson on the team too?
In 2004 Duncan hits the game winning shot to basically take down the Lakers, until Derek Fisher hits an impossible (and by impossible I mean not allowed by the laws of physics) shot to win the game.
In 2006 he had two bad ankles and still carried his team to a game 7 against Dallas, after being down 3-1 and forced overtime in that Game 7. And if Gino doesn't pull that stupid foul on Dirk, they win.
In 2008 Duncan basically destroys the Suns will to live with a 3 pointer to extend the game. He leads his team to the WCF where they finally meet a team that's better than them, though through no fault of Duncan.
2008 WCF
Game 1 30 and 18
Game 2 12 and 16 (Spurs lost by 30 and Duncan still grabs 16 boards)
Game 3 (The Gino Game) 22 and 21
Game 4 29 and 17
Game 5 19 and 15
I see Duncan stepping up his game except for Game 2 when the entire Spurs team sucked a big fat one.
2009
Game 1 27 and 9
Game 2 13 and 11
Game 3 4 and 2 (Spurs get their asses handed to them)
Game 4 25 and 10
Game 5 30 and 8
On two bad knees no less. One bad game, and one so-so game.
Before you question Duncan, realize the man has NEVER missed the playoffs and has only exited in the first round 1 time (this past playoffs). 70% career winning percentage as well.
I know you're a huge DRob homer, but you can't win an argument on who was a better player, Duncan or DRob.
Again, DRob was a Top 10 center of all time. Duncan is a Top 10 PLAYER of all time.
Hakeem, Robinson and Shawn Kemp. All players (big men) who could do as much or more than Howard could do. Watch some games before spouting off about Lebron and Dwight.
And that was just the 90s.
And Duncan will be the first guy to tell you that he can't win a le without teamates, if he's feeling particularly honest, he'll even tell you he'd have left San Antonio, in a second, if they weren't surrounding him with enough talent to win a championship.
I can show David Robinson going to the Spurs and producing the biggest single season turn around in NBA history. I can show you David Robinson missing the season, and the Spurs producing the biggest negative single season turn around in NBA history.
I can show you Tim Duncan playing with...
Well, David Robinson first of all...the only guy besides Kareem to lead the league in scoring, rebounding and blocks, the first player in NBA history to finish in the top 5 in blocks, steals and rebounds, the only guy other than Michael Jordan to win a scoring le and DPOY, the only center Wilt to score 70 points in a game, the only C besides Hakeem and Nate Thurmond(Wilt's teamate) to pull down a quad double....
If you think that's a typical resume for a frontline sidekick, you are ing stupid.
Manu Ginobili - All Star, Olympic MVP. One of only two players to win a Euroleague, NBA and Olympic le.
Tony Parker - perennial All Star - Finals MVP.
Bruce Bowen - perennial DPOY candidate, made 6 or 7 all NBA defensive teams.
Robert Horry - the only non-Celtic with 7 championships.
Steve Kerr - the greatest 3 point shooter in NBA history.
This doesn't even include guys like Stephen Jackson.
More importantly, Duncan had the same coach every year of his career.
David averaged about a coach per year.
There is no one like that that played with David Robinson outside of Sean Elliott who made two All Star Games but developed kidney problems, Terry mings, who wrecked his knee, and Dennis Rodman(who probably didn't pull a single minute on Karl Malone or Hakeem Olajuwon).
David Robinson never had a guard that made an All Star Game at any point in their careers. Don't tell me that is true of Shaq, and Hakeem, and Kareem, and Wilt.
Because it ing isn't true. Period.
Im guessing you werent actally around in the 90s to watch any of those guys.
Hakeem was not a freak athlete. Kemp was but he didnt have the size of Howard. He's closer to Amare Stoudemire. We already discussed why D-Rob doesnt touch Howard when it comes athleticism.
Try again.
Chauncy Billups Finals MVP - Eat it.
Tony Parker Finals MVP on Duncan's team - Eat it.
David never played with a finals MVP either. Eat that while you're at it.
No no no...if Drob doesn't count in wins, he doesn't count in losses either you double standard using POS.I love DRob, but when Duncan was getting "butt ed" by Shaq in 2001 and 2002, wasn't Robinson on the team too?p
Drob doesn't matter, Duncan did it all by himself.
No one else matters.
In 2004 Duncan hits the game winning shot to basically take down the Lakers, until Derek Fisher hits an impossible (and by impossible I mean not allowed by the laws of physics) shot to win the game.
In 2006 he had two bad ankles and still carried his team to a game 7 against Dallas, after being down 3-1 and forced overtime in that Game 7. And if Gino doesn't pull that stupid foul on Dirk, they win.
But what about 2005 when Duncan is choking ass and giving the game away at the FT line and Horry saves his ass?
In 2008 Duncan basically destroys the Suns will to live with a 3 pointer to extend the game. He leads his team to the WCF where they finally meet a team that's better than them, though through no fault of Duncan.
2008 WCF
Game 1 30 and 18
Game 2 12 and 16 (Spurs lost by 30 and Duncan still grabs 16 boards)
Game 3 (The Gino Game) 22 and 21
Game 4 29 and 17
Game 5 19 and 15
I see Duncan stepping up his game except for Game 2 when the entire Spurs team sucked a big fat one.
2009
Game 1 27 and 9
Game 2 13 and 11
Game 3 4 and 2 (Spurs get their asses handed to them)
Game 4 25 and 10
Game 5 30 and 8
On two bad knees no less. One bad game, and one so-so game.
Before you question Duncan, realize the man has NEVER missed the playoffs and has only exited in the first round 1 time (this past playoffs). 70% career winning percentage as well.
Uh, David Robinson never missed the playoffs either. I realize he was gifted with future HOF'ers like Vinny Del Negro and Avery Johnson while Duncan had to carry scrubs like Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker, but still...he never missed the playoffs.
I know you're a huge DRob homer, but you can't win an argument on who was a better player, Duncan or DRob.
Again, DRob was a Top 10 center of all time. Duncan is a Top 10 PLAYER of all time.
And you use double standards...I don't have to kick your ass in a argument, you do it every ing time you open mouth an change the importance of teamates depending on what argument you are trying to win.
Bush ing league.
And I don't give a what double standard you use, you look at who David had for teamates, and when he had them, and look at every other C that is supposed to better than he is....and you will see a huge difference in the quality of guards unless you are totally ignorant of the game.
Basically what you are saying is, there's no difference between Jerry West, Manu Ginobili, Hal Geer, Clyde Drexler, Kobe Bryant...and Vinny Del Negro.
That Oscar Robertson, Magic Johnson, Dwayne Wade, Tony Parker and Sam Cassell, are just parts to be interchanged...with Avery Johnson.
That is what you are saying with that argument...I hope you realize how stupid it is once it is crystalized like that for you.
Last edited by whottt; 09-03-2009 at 02:18 PM.
Top 10 at his position, or Top 10 player (any position) ever?
You take your pick.
Defend DRob all you want, DRob said that Duncan was better than DRob was in his prime, when Duncan was a rookie.
In 1996 the US Olympic team played against a group of college all stars. That team had Robinson, Hakeem, Shaq, Barkley and Malone on the team. There was this one college player who gave the Dream team fits and couldn't be defended. We're talking about 5 of the greatest big men ever, and they were being schooled by a college player named Tim Duncan.
That's funny because the first time Gregg Poppovich watched Duncan play against Robisnon he said he began to regret not drafting Keith Van Horne.
I can sit here...and say pointedly, at various years in his career, David Robinson was beyond all doubt, the best scorer in the league, the best rebounder in the league, the best shotblocker in the league, the best defensive player in the league....the best dunker in the league, the best at the getting to the line in the league, the best bigman passer in the league...
Becacause beyond all doubt, he was provably the best in the league at those things.
How great? The year after Dennis Rodman was traded, David lead the league in rebounding.
You cannot say all those things about any other Center and be able to prove it, you also can't say it about Tim Duncan either. In fact you can't say he was ever the best at any one of those things, for he never lead the league in any of them.
And he also never missed the playoffs, and he also was part of the biggest positive single season turnaround, and the biggest negative season turnaround...
He also never finished lower than second place in his division, no matter what he was surrounded with, only 3 other players in NBA history can make that claim, Magic Johnson, Dr. J and Larry Bird.
you, and all Spurs fans that on David Robinson...you are the most ignorant segment of Spurfans...and I wish you guys would off and die.
This would be a perfect time for one of you sticks to say David, who lead the NBA scoring and scored 70 points in agame, not to mention has career scoring numbers equivalent to Duncan's inspite of spending the last half of his career as defensive anchor, and has a betrer career FG% than Duncan, as well as FT%...was a weak offensive player.
You disrepect the Admiral, the guy who saved this franchise, including keeping Duncan from leaving(I guess Duncan was concerned about his teamates), as he is going to the HOF, I going to stick your ignorant, unknowledgable, double standard arguments, as far up your stupid ing ass as they will go.
Go yourself, and stop using David's classiness and unselfishness to diminish him...
You colossal ASSHOLE.
How many times did I state that I've been watching DRob from Day 1. I absolutely remember those guys. Hakeem was strong, fast for a big guy and extremely quick off the floor. He had excellent footwork in the post and could dream shake youout of your jock (ask DRob in 1995 about that).
DRob could run with the guards, jump out of the building and was throwing down 360 tomahawk jams in his younger days. DRob was an absolute stud. just not the most athletic big man ever or the greatest Spur ever.
Kemp was a little smaller than Howard in size, but was a 6'10" player throwing down on any and every one. Do you remember his nickname?
He played with a 2 time Finals MVP (at the time). You might have heard of him, his name was Tim Duncan.David never played with a finals MVP either. Eat that while you're at it.
Game 1 24 17
Game 2 18 and 11 (blowout)
Game 3 14 and 10 (blowout)
Game 4 16 and 16
Game 5 (the "choke" game) 26 and 19 (remember, if Duncan doesn't go off the way he does, Horry and Gino have no shot to play "hero" because the Spurs get their ass handed to them for the 3rd game in a row)
Game 6 21 and 15
Game 7 25 and 11
Check this out. These are Ben and Sheed's stats combined in the Spurs' 4 wins.
Game 1 11 and 15
Game 2 20 and 16
Game 5 15 and 17
Game 7 23 and 12
Duncan outplayed both players combined in the 4 victories.
in fact, looking at the numbers confirms what everyone saw, Duncan was a beast and was the Finals MVP for the 3rd time. What no one mentions is that Duncan did that against the most feared defensive big man tandem in the league, Ben and Rasheed Wallace.
For the series Tim averaged 20.6 pts and 14.1 rebounds. Ben and Rasheed averaged 21.6 pts and 15.9 rebounds. A virtual draw. Tim led the Spurs in pts, rebs and blks that series.
Robinson was a more talented player and more athletic. Duncan is a better player though. He stepped up his game in big situations whereas Robinson faded away.
Ask any expert, player, coach and knowledgeable fan out there who's a better player and Duncan would win hands down.
It want to use stats, Duncan stats rose in the playoffs. If you want an important number, use wins. Duncan trumps him there.
Duncan has won les without DRob, while DRob never got it down before Duncan. Duncan is the greatest PF to ever play and is a Top 10 player ever. This isn't up for debate.
DRob is a top 10 center and is a top 50 player ever. Big difference.
Oh and DRob missed the playoffs in 1996, the year they won the lottery and selected Duncan.
First off, spell his name right. Second, if you believe that for a second, I got some beach front property in Kansas to sell you.That's funny because the first time Gregg Poppovich watched Duncan play against Robisnon he said he began to regret not drafting Keith Van Horne.
Who's hating on Robinson. I love DRob. Again, he's the first player I remember watching and I followed him from day 1. DRob was a phenomenal player and a better human being 100 times over.you, and all Spurs fans that on David Robinson...you are the most ignorant segment of Spurfans...and I wish you guys would off and die.
But that doesn't change the fact that Duncan is a better player, period. Your ignorance and outright refusal to acknowledge what an absolute legend Tim Duncan is reeks of disrespect.
Look on the court and realize that while watching DRob was a treat, watching Duncan play may be a once in a generation deal. We are watching a Top 10 player ever. That doesn't happen often. Stop being an asshole and enjoy the moment.
Stars still produce when they are doubled. I gave you multiple examples showing the decrease in Robinson’s production come playoff time. You are blaming his teammates for not hitting shots, yet not blaming him.
Additionally, you keep listing the “scrub” teammates, yet fail to realize that some of them were actually good (i.e. Elliott, mings, Strickland, Ellis, etc). You also overlook that the team won plenty of games during the regular season when Robinson was dominating, yet they lost when his production took a dip in the postseason. They lost as he was getting outplayed by other bigs, some being PF’s. Was he not doubled and the like in the regular season?
His team was good enough in 95. The main difference in that series is that he couldn’t stop his counterpart from dropping near 40 a night on him. His team was also good enough to win some of those other playoff series, even if they weren’t good enough to win a le. But he got outplayed by Barkley and Malone 3 times and lost to a lower-seeded Warriors team with no big-man. What do his teammates have to do with him getting outplayed by another great big everytime he faced one in the postseason??
You shouldn’t need help to not allow a dude to drop near 40 a night on you. You are glossing over the reason why they lost. Robinson could not stop Hakeem from torching him. And Hakeem didn’t drop near 40 a night against Boston in 86. Most dudes don’t drop near 40 a night in a series, especially not against a dominant defender.
The rest of your post doesn’t really address anything I typed. Your argument would hold more merit if Robinson’s numbers didn’t get worse in those playoff series, but they did…or if he was the best big on the floor….but he wasn’t. He is a part of the blame as well. It wasn’t all his fault and he didn’t have stud teams for most seasons…but it’s not like he was playing much better and just having his teammates fail him. He was throwing up crap games too, hence the fall in his production (that you also overlooked). When he was the star leading the team, he got outplayed by 3 other HOF bigs in 4 losing playoff series.
All of the guys you mentioned except for Sampson & Horry were past their prime when they played with Hakeem, and Hakeem was past his when he played with all of them besides Drexler in 95 & 96. He didn’t play with Sampson for long either. And Sean Elliott is just as good as Robert Horry. Robinson had a team just as good in 95. He just couldn’t guard his man.
And I would gladly trade all of those guys for Tim Duncan by the way….
What does Stockton have to do with Malone outplaying Robinson in two playoff series?
Have a reliable post game in the playoffs, when it’s needed most. Or how about be the best big-man on the floor in a playoff series, against another top big. When has Robinson ever done that? Please name one occasion? Hit a game-winner in the postseason. Beat a team with more talent like he did in 2003 (granted Robinson was on that team too…the older version). Win a Finals MVP.
Can you say why that never translated to the postseason? Can you say one playoff series where he was clearly the best big on the floor, when matched up against another top pivot?
I don't give a , at some point only one guy in the world knew the Earth was round and everyone else thought it was flat...
Your point?
The facts bear out everything I claim, that is the point.
Not always....David Robinson's numbers were better in the regular season that most of the other guys...and David's numbers didn't always get worse, his first two teams, which were the best he played on guardwise, and coaching wise,. they went up...It want to use stats, Duncan stats rose in the playoffs.
In fact, Wilt, nor Shaq, nor Duncan, nor Hakeem, ever put up 68% shooting for an entire playoff series. That was a second year player...and it's also why he saw nothing but a load of double and triple for the rest of his career as a star(that, and he ty guards).
If you want an important number, use wins. Duncan trumps him there.
Actually, he really doesn't, Duncan's teams showed the abilithy to win without him. They've even had a couple of seasons where they had a winning record when in games he missed, that was never the case with David, not in any single season of his career as a star...and the year he was hurt is the biggest negative single season turnaround in NBA history.
Fact.
True he has...but he hasn't won any without All Star Guards on his team(aside from the one he won with David), and neither did Hakeem, Kareem, Shaq or Wilt...Duncan has won les without DRob
Yet you expect David Robinson too....
Neither would Duncan or Shaq or Wilt or Kareem or Hakeem if they were asked to win with a backcourt of AJ and Vinny.while DRob never got it down before Duncan.
Duncan is the greatest PF to ever play and is a Top 10 player ever. This isn't up for debate.
DRob is a top 10 center and is a top 50 player ever. Big difference.
Oh and DRob missed the playoffs in 1996, the year they won the lottery and selected Duncan.
I figured you were a badnwaggoner who never saw the Admiral play...and now I know for sure you didn't.
No you don't lying ing ...you have done nothing but post ignorant uninformed bull against David in this entire thread...as bad or worse than the Rocket and Jazz fans participating in it...and you aren't the only one.
First off, spell his name right. Second, if you believe that for a second, I got some beach front property in Kansas to sell you.
Who's hating on Robinson. I love DRob. Again, he's the first player I remember watching and I followed him from day 1. DRob was a phenomenal player and a better human being 100 times over.
Why don't you watch it and get the out of threads discussing David Robinson....since you obviously don't know jack and have a very mundane knowledge of the game that is pretty much shared by any fan that just started watching it and read some assholes opinion on Drob.But that doesn't change the fact that Duncan is a better player, period. Your ignorance and outright refusal to acknowledge what an absolute legend Tim Duncan is reeks of disrespect.
Look on the court and realize that while watching DRob was a treat, watching Duncan play may be a once in a generation deal. We are watching a Top 10 player ever. That doesn't happen often. Stop being an asshole and enjoy the moment.
And BTW, I remember a few years ago, I watched Amare Stoudemire take Duncan out to the woodshed and lay a dominating asswhuppin on him mano a mano, as bad if not worse than what happened to Drob against Hakeem...
Difference? Ducan's team won.
I watched Dirk turn into Wilt Chamberlain against us....
You know why? Because he had guards that won Olympic and Finals MVPs, instead of guards that were outshot from 3 in the postseason for a career by Nazr Mohammed and Rasho Nesterovic.
I don't give a what you say...they all had better guards than David did, and I can ing prove it, all day long, 100 times out of 100 times.
Fact.
Fact.
Fact.
Fact.
So instead of typing a bunch of bull ,. why don't you say, there's no difference between, Tony Parker, Hal Geer, Kobe Byrant, Dwayne Wade, and Vinny and AJ...
Because that is what you are saying.
I was around.
Hakeem was an absolute freak. He was a forward in a seven-footer's body. He could dribble, drive, rebound over people bigger and taller, the whole nine yards.
Athleticism is about more than just how high you can jump and how fast you can run. In high school, I had a 29" vertical and ran a legit 4.84 forty.
I, however, was NOT athletic. Even at the high school level.
I had the hands of an 8' Polish mongoloid, the body control of his twin sister, and the motor skills of your average two-year-old. All reasons why I played LB and not DB (didn't have the footwork and couldn't turn my hips) or an offensive skill position (no ability to catch anything other than a softly-tossed screen pass... and even that gave me occassional difficulties).
Therefore, I never did anything other than sit at the end of the bench on the basketball team and wasn't even a decent baseball player. I had handles and could defend the quickest guys on the court, but couldn't put a tennis ball through a hole in the ground.
That's why guys like Michael Wilson (who is a of an athlete in his own right) are athletic enough to play professional sports, but aren't necessarily athletic enough to play at the highest level of professional sports. Motor skills, coordination, body control, and a host of other things combine with leaping ability and speed to form someone's athleticism.
Which brings us back to Hakeem. Maybe you've forgotten what he looked like in action, so here he is in slow mo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmLR_VgbqAA
You can see his leaping ability throughout the video. Great example of his body control, hands, and overall coordination with the rebound at around the 32-second mark. Watch his footwork at the 40-second mark... spins right around Ewing while accelerating. At about 1:06 you get to see what I mean when I say he was a forward playing in the body of a seven-footer. At 2:30, watch him destroy Buck Williams, a quick and savvy man-on defender in his own right (I don't know what year that's from, but Williams was one of the best post defenders of the 80's and early- to mid-90's).
At 2:32, there's the Dream Shake. Second-most effective pivot move in NBA history... not because of the move itself, but because of the efficiency, quickness, and footwork of the guy performing it (kinda like the Sky Hook, the most effective move in NBA history).
Now was Hakeem as athletic as D-Rob or Wilt? I won't go that far. Wilt's number one in my book, Rob's probably somewhere in the 2-4 range. What I will say is this; either...
1. ...you don't really understand the whole concept of athleticism, or...
2. ...you didn't watch enough of the Rockets back in Hakeem's heyday to truly appreciate the guy, or...
3. ...you just don't remember how great Hakeem really was.
I'm willing to bet it's just number three. He's easily forgettable in the era of Jordan.
Back to the original Robinson/Howard debate, DeJuanitoBlair has a great YouTube clip of Robinson driving the length of the open court against Jordan's Bulls in his sig. Watch the speed, ball control, and ability to change directions ever so slightly to pull up and back over Jordan at the end of the drive. This is the type of move you typically see from a wing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKVqpXl3M18
I think you've forgotten a big part of NBA history if you're putting Howard and LeBron in the argument but leaving out the Admiral, Kobe, Dr. J, Dominique, Jordan, Wilt, Vince Carter (pre-injuries), Gerald Wallace, Tom Chambers, David Thompson, Kenyon Martin (pre-injuries), and a whole host of other guys. Sure, both Howard and the King belong in the argument, but they aren't necessarily at the head of the class.
PS: The most athletic guy in the NBA is neither Howard or LeBron... or Shawn Marion, Kobe, or D-Wade. The most athletic NBAer is James White, a rarely-used scrub who saw a little time with the Rockets in last year's playoffs. He's the exception to the "Michael Wilson Rule."
Last edited by big daddy russ; 09-03-2009 at 04:11 PM.
How this thread turned into a David / Tim argument ?
Because of stupid wads that can't tell the difference between AJ and Vinny, and Tony and Manu...not to mention Oscar Robertson Jerry West and the like.
Whether the ashole I am arguing with in this thread realize it or not...Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili will both one day be in the HOF.
Along with Hal Geer
And Jerry West
And Clyde Drexler
And Oscar Robertson
And Magic Johnson
And Kobe Bryant
And Dwayne Wade.,,,
I realize those guys are no AJ and Vinny, but hey, it just stands testament to how great Wilt and Kareem and all them were that they could carry scrub guards like that to les.
I mentioned Tim in a post, and Whott took that as an afront to David Robinson.
It's quite ridiculous really, but just goes to show how blind some homers are. To claim that David was a better player than Tim is ludicrous.
Winning is all that matters and Tim won, plain and simple. No photo captures the Tim era and his career better than this one.
Maybe these, but definitely not as succinctly as the first.
And in all but one, both of those trophies are Tim's.
It's almost like he's proud to be about as ignorant of the game of basketball as it's humanly possible to be and still know what one is...
I can just see this dude as a coach...dump this Magic Johnson POS and get me Vinny Del Negro.., we've got Kareem and if he feels like winning a le, he'll just step up and win it, because that's how championships re won. And that's all there is to it. Those Worthy and Robertson guys are just interchangeable parts.
Someone mentioned that Robinson didn't win before Duncan came along. Whott acted like someone called his daughter ugly. I defended the greastes Spur ever and Whott began to act like someone called his wife fat to boot.
Sorry for the sidetrack. Then again, I think we've shown without a doubt that Wilt was the most athletic big man ever.
Just like showing how great a winner Tim was also show's why he's better than DRob.
One final stat. The Spurs have the best winning percentage of any team in the NBA, NFL, MLB and NHL since Tim arrived. Period.
Nice post. Way to rep for the old school.
If David Robinson had had a halfway-decent supporting cast, he would have won more les than Michael Jordan.
If you say otherwise, you are evil.
You are a damned evil s -sucking bas .
Period.
David Robinson was far more polished than Tim Duncan could ever hope to be. FAR. He did things that not even GOD could do. In fact, I bet David Robinson IS God.
I mean, compare David to Jesus. David is far better-spoken, has musical talent, is the best athlete ever to play sports, runs a school for disadvantaged children, and has enormous biceps that make me question my sexuality.
If you were God, would you come as some Jewish peasant who got himself killed, or as David Robinson? There is no question. None.
If you say otherwise it is because you are depraved and probably molest children. I hate you.
Look at who David Robinson played with.
Avery Johnson.
Seriously.
Avery Johnson is a combination of the dwarf guy from Diffrent Strokes and Brer freaking Rabbit.
Who wins a championship with that guy?
Huh?
Just shut up. You have nothing to say and you are an idiot.
True.
And stupid. Never forget the stupid part.If you say otherwise, you are evil.
And a completely ing ignorant one.You are a damned evil s -sucking bas .
Agree.Period.
False. David Robinson probably spent less time in the gym poloishing his games than any player mentioned in this thread. Doesn't matter.David Robinson was far more polished than Tim Duncan could ever hope to be.
If you think one player wins a le, you don't know , that argument holds less water than a sieve.FAR. He did things that not even GOD could do. In fact, I bet David Robinson IS God.
I mean, compare David to Jesus. David is far better-spoken, has musical talent, is the best athlete ever to play sports, runs a school for disadvantaged children, and has enormous biceps that make me question my sexuality.
If you were God, would you come as some Jewish peasant who got himself killed, or as David Robinson? There is no question. None.
If you say otherwise it is because you are depraved and probably molest children. I hate you.
It's the stupidest argument that there is, and it's made by people that are stupid and have an oversimplified view of the game, and who will contradict themselves from their own argument the very first time someone brings up Wilt missing the playoffs or the Lakers kicking the Spurs ass in 2001. Then all of a sudden...the teamates matter
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