No, I don't remember Finley EVER produced in the playoffs like Jack did. You get my point?
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This will be bad news for the spurs if the mavs get jax
Much Ado About Stephen Jackson
Back in November, Warriors guard Stephen Jackson signed a $28 million extension to remain in Golden State through 2013. Nine months later, with his financial future pretty much solidified, he wants out. Thank you for all the money, Golden State, but now I'd like to win some games, please.
Jackson has reportedly informed his current team that he's got a five-team wish list that includes Cleveland, New York, Houston, San Antonio, and Dallas. Less than a day after this story broke, we're already hearing that the Mavericks could be the frontrunner.
According to DallasBasketball.com, Don Nelson is preparing to start swapping trade ideas with the Mavericks, who must have some assets that Golden State is interested in. Anyone who takes a long, hard look at Dallas's roster, however, would have a difficult time putting together a logical trade for the Warriors. The only player who makes even an iota of sense is Josh Howard, who the Mavericks still like and Don Nelson is reported to think is a bit soft. If not Howard, then who is supposed to be the main piece in this rumored deal?
The twist here is that Jackson might not even be the guy Nelson is hoping to cash out. One of the most effective statistical shooting guards in the league with 20.7 points, 6.5 assists, and 5.1 rebounds per game, Jackson is actually a pretty important piece for the Warriors. Why would they have paid him so much money to stay there if they didn't believe that?
No, in saying that he could be in the market to move a significant rotation player, the belief is the guy Don Nelson wants to move could be Monta Ellis, not Jackson. Ellis has spent a good deal of time in Nelson's doghouse (not a fun place to be as many of his former players could tell you), meaning Jackson could see his chance to be traded drift away pretty quickly if the Warriors choose to deal his backcourt mate instead of himself.
If the Mavericks aren't interested in absorbing Jackson's huge contract, which of the other four teams he listed are real possibilities? Certainly not Cleveland, who invested good money this offseason to shore up their depth at the swing positions and already have quite a bit of money tied up in their current roster. San Antonio also seems pretty set at shooting guard and small forward with Manu Ginobili and Richard Jefferson, leaving only New York and Houston as realistic possibilities if Dallas doesn't work out.
It would require Golden State to give up much more than Stephen Jackson, but someone like Tracy McGrady could provide them with a similar player to Jackson but whose $22 million salary comes off the books next summer. It would be hard to get salaries to match, but its that cap space the Warriors would want to return for S-Jax.
As for New York, Jackson would be reunited with his buddy Al Harrington, who he's still reportedly upset about having been traded away from him in the first place. The Knicks have a ton of expiring contracts they could offer up in a number of different combinations, but they're saving that to woo LeBron James and Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh. To sacrifice that space they'd have to return a superstar—a level of play which Jackson hasn't quite reached in his career.
None of his five destinations create an obvious trade scenario, but at some point the Warriors will have to decide if they want to spend the next four seasons listening to Jackson gripe about playing for a team that's missed the postseason 14 of the last 15 years. Dallas may be the rumored "frontrunner" for now, but that could change very quickly if Monta Ellis is the guy they're targeting instead of the player who has publicly asked to be traded.
Jackson thread!!!
Someone obviously skipped watching the NBA Finals against the Nets.
we live in the furture you live in the past when manu was not hurt
Mavs is making movements.
http://www.dallasbasketball.com/fullColumn.php?id=1974
well obv if all it took was mason/finley/bonner, spurs fo would have offered that to GSW by now. If the trade doesnt happen, its only coz don nelson wanted something else.
I think that the spurs need to add some draft picks to make this happen. What GS wants is financial flexibility for 2010 (expiring contracts) and draft picks.
I think that there only 2 possibilities where jack can end up: Dallas and SA.
NY only wants expiring contracts to have enough money to bring lebron next summer.
The Cavs dont have the pieces to make work.
And Houston is in rebuilding mode, although they have the pieces to make it work, I dont think they are going to take any long term contract, especially with Tmac coming off the books next year.
I agree, hopefully this ends before the seasons starts.Happens all the time. The Spurs might have offered Finley Bonner Williams. No? How bout Finley Bonner Williams and the rights to James Gist? No?
Well how about Finley Bonner williams, Gist and a second round pick? No?
On and on it could go. the Warriors would also have to weigh the Spurs offer to the Mavs offer. The Warriors are not the bucks, they will look to get something for Jackson. They could say to the Spurs, hey your rivals the Mavericks are offering this this and this, we will give you a week to give us an offer we like better. Then the Warriors could day to the Mavs, hey the Spurs just matched and raised you, what else you got?
This could last a while.
anyone got the link to Poop saying Jefferson was SJax without the drama?
Finleyavich, Bonner and a 1st rounder for SJax would be heaven, but can't see Golden State falling for that crap.
Mason thrown in the mix could make it happen. Nellie no doubt saw Masons demonstrated potential before Dumbassovich forced Mason to the point guard.
Is it in the audio? ^^^ because nothing in print.
My d/L is superslow,
Spurs have just as many assets as Dallas if it is true that GS is looking for cap relief. It will be a matter of who is interested. Unless GS can get Dallas to take additional players (Maggette...).
Yes. The file is 60 Mb. Here is the direct link. You can download it if your connection is too slow. That's a great Pop interview.
http://nba.cdn.turner.com/nba/big/te...ba_576x324.flv
Paying something like 7.7 mill for a player who averaged 20-6-5 is a horrible contract? Nevermind the fact that he knows our Big 3 and our system fairly well, has been proven to perform in the postseason, and can plays solid D.
I dont understand this bad contract talk at all. I mean unproven guys like Gortat got the MLE (like 6 mill per yr), Varejao got a huge 8 mill per year deal, Villanueva like 10 mill per year. Guys of similar skillset to Jax like our beloved Jefferson or Rashard Lewis have max deals and make twice what he makes. So if anything Jax is underpaid, given his production he is a great value for 7.7 mill. And he is at the peak of his career, he is in his prime...yea he's 31 and will likely have declined by 35 when his contract ends but if worst comes to worst we can use his expiring contract as a trading chip. We need to go balls out while we still have Tim, long-term consequences our time to win is now. If you can get him with a combination of Mason/Bonner/Finley/Williams you ing do it, no ands ifs or buts about it. This is a no brainer.
Last edited by FkLA; 08-31-2009 at 02:16 AM.
It is not really a bad contract in general, but from the Spurs perspective it is. The only bad part of the contract at all is the length. He will be around 35 and making 10M.
I understand that concern, but at the same time he's playing great right now and looks physically fine...even in the worst case-scenario I still see him as having 2-3 yrs of good production left. If by his last yr he is worthless which I doubt we could always use him as a trading chip, 10 mill expiring is a valuable asset in this league. The way I see it we need to capitalize on Duncan's last years...if overpaying him in the 4th yr is what it takes to win an extra two or three les than I do it in a heartbeat. This is a no brainer.
Yes, but there are other factors:
1) This effects re signing Ginobili. It would cost a lot of money. If Gino has a great year, he will command a decent amount
2) It might not be as easy to move Jackson as you make it out to be. No one knows what the new CBA agreement will look like. It is risky taking on long-term contracts. Also, it could mean the Spurs have to package talent in order to get rid of Jackson. Like having to give up Scola to get rid of Butler. Would giving up Hill or Tiago or Blair be worth it if they turn out well?
3) It could drastically effect the rebuilding efforts after Tim. The Spurs right now seem set up to not have a massive drop off even after Tim. This could mean a few extra down years and loss of money.
1.Duncan is taking a paycut next yr, and Manu is extremely loyal. Call me an optimist but I just dont see Manu leaving us.
2.10 mill expiring is a valuable asset regardless of the CBA which might change but not drastically to the point where it will change this, there will always be teams that are re-building willing to take on Jax for a season or for half a season in order to have the cap room by season's end. And I dont think we will have to give up anything to move him, Butler was not an expiring contract therefore it did not hold the value Jax's will have. Butler was more of a burden than anything, Jax's big expiring will actually be an asset.
SJax back in SA town would be great, just need to see if GS is offered a better package!
Do you guys have a 4 million dollar contract that can be bought out for 1 million dollars? Simple question. Then you don't have anything better than what Dallas can offer.
You guys are lacking in the reading comprehension department.
How about Nellie & Donnie's relationship. How good is that relationship?
spurs have more to offer
mason, finley and bonner have expiring contracts don't they......I know fin and bonner do.
anyway..........I think we have the inside track to sjax.
A trade for Jax for Srub players!!!!!
He knows Pop's system
...and that's a plus!!!
MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!!
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