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The mavs can have him. Let them keep trying to learn the hard way that the fantasy basketball approach won't win you a le.
Again,
Do you have a 4 million dollar contract that can be bought out for 1 million dollars? Giving the Warriors an instant 3 million dollar savings? R U guys that fvcking dumb around here or just blind?
The mavs can have him. Let them keep trying to learn the hard way that the fantasy basketball approach won't win you a le.
First, the buyout on Buckner's contract is 2.1M, so the savings is slightly less than 2M. Also, he cannot be traded in a deal for Jackson before Sep 9th.
Second, GS is well under the lux tax line so small savings this year are not nearly as important as the 28M in obligations beyond this season that they would save by trading Jackson for expiring deals. Both teams can offer packages to save the full 28M that he is owed for the three seasons beyond this one.
Third, compare packages that include Mason from the Spurs and Buckner from the Mavs. Assume that the rest of packages from both teams are equal. GS would then be choosing between paying Mason 3.8M this year to play for them or paying Buckner 2.1M to go away. I think it is just as likely that would rather pay the extra 1.7M and have Mason in a contract year.
Dallas, however, would have a huge advantage if GS wants to expand the deal to dump Ellis' contract. Dallas has the expiring deals of Howard and Dampier to include in such a deal. The Spurs would have to include Manu and that would kill any possible deal with the Spurs.
Mavs don't have that. Buckner's contract can be bought out for $2.1M.
Now, I highly doubt there will have a bidding war between team for SJax. He is a 31 years old player with tons of red flags and a $35.5M contract. With the current economical situations, Warriors will be happy to dump him for expiring contracts.
If Mavs want him, they will get him. However, I quite doubt they want him. Mavs don't really need him and last time he played for Carlisle, it was quite a disaster.
This would be the main reason I try to make this deal happen. Aside from Jackson's somewhat inflated contract...it's about the same as Manu's contract anyway.
If Manu comes up injured again this year...you can bet his contract comes off the books the following year because I doubt the Spurs would have interest in resigning Ginobili if that happens.
Just because I got curious.......
Michael Finley's playoff career as a Spur versus Stephen Jackson's entire playoff career. Not a whole lot of difference between the two.
Games: Finley - 55, Jackson - 54
Points per 30 minutes: Jax - 12.4, Fin - 10.4
FG%: Fin - 42.7%, Jax - 39.4%
3FG%: Fin - 40.2%, Jax - 32.8%
Rebounds per 30min: Jax - 3.3, Fin - 3.1
Assists per 30min: Jax - 2.4, Fin - 1.3
Turnovers per 30min: Fin - 0.6, Jax - 2.4
Steals/30min: Jax - 1.3, Fin - 0.5
Blocks/30min: Jax - 0.4, Fin - 0.2
So? He's gone after this year. He might even be gone before this year is over.
right, like most I also forgot about that point. Sjax was one of the major participates to destroy the best team Carlisle had ever assembled.
From Dallas Morning News:
Mavericks beat writer Tim MacMahon says the odds of Stephen Jackson being traded to Dallas are "closer to none than slim, even in a straight salary dump."
The Mavericks are over the dollar-for-dollar luxury tax and would essentially be paying $70 million over four years for Jackson, too rich even for owner Mark Cuban. The Mavs are also committed to the combination of Shawn Marion and Josh Howard, which leaves precious little playing time for someone like Jackson.
wow, great work and quite disabusing.
the addition of Sjax to the current roster wouldn't really improve the overall quality of the team. if the Spurs wanted to improve the wing rotation, they need to add a permium perimeter stopper and not a volume scorer like Sjax.
If there actually was a conversation about Jax being the DPOY in 07-08 it must have been a pretty short one considering he didn't even get a single vote for 1st or 2nd all defensive team. No doubt, he's a better defender than Finley, but it is worth it considering all the other things (contract, needs touches, prone to technicals) that come with him? If the Spurs really need a defensive stopper, let's just bring Bruce back sometime around February.
please read some of my previous posts before you talk trash to me.
I know that Sjax can play quality defense, what I stated was, that he will never play the part of a pure defensive role player, but that's what this wing rotation would need. Sjax has never been a defensive workhorse. he plays some good defense and the next 3 games he's not interested.
and DPOY????? don't know who talked about this, but please let's not start to overrate his defense just to create some arguments to bring in Sjax.
So that's one Warriors beatwriter saying 8 games into the 07-08 season that Jackson should get DPOY consideration, and one ESPN article referencing the blog written by the one Warriors beatwriter. Hardly a convincing arguement that he was a legitimate DPOY candidate.Haha"Please read the previous posts." These have been posted before
Espn.com truehoops?
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/...37&sort=oldest
Bay area press
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakam...r-of-the-year/
You do realize that your first link is a blog that merely quotes a portion of your second link. So all you have is a Warriors beat writer suggesting Jackson as a potential DPOY candidate after he played his first eight games of 2007-2008 season.Haha
Espn.com truehoops?
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/...37&sort=oldest
Bay area press
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakam...r-of-the-year/
That's the extent of the 'talk' you have mentioned. One early season article by a team beat writer.
edit: coyotes_geek types faster
Possibly an adequate defender in a team concept defense perhaps. Not a stopper in any context.
I think if he concentrated on it he could be better, perhaps even spoken of as a top tier defender along the likes of Eric Snow or Shane Battier. When you say stopper though, I think of Jordan, Pippen, etc.....
When you add DPOY or "defensive player of the year" to his name in a google search, those are the only two articles from recognizable sources.
Interesting that the beat writer's enthusiasm for SJax has lessened over the last two years:
Robert Rowell played it so scared by handing SJax a ridiculous three-year, $28.6M (max possible for SJax) in the months after Baron exited last summer.
For all his supposed financial wisdom–yeah, right!–Rowell was SCARED that SJax would be a problem, scared that SJax might talk about how dumb the organization is, scared that there wouldn’t be a recognizable face to market and to buddy-up to RR when RR felt even more scared of all things.
Remember, SJax still had TWO YEARS left on his deal when Rowell handed the three-year extension. SJax still has one year left on the OLD DEAL, before the extension kicks in for the 2010-’11 through 2012-’13 seasons.
Unbelievably stupid deal. One of the stupidest moves of Rowell’s tenure, and that’s encompasses a lot of stupidity. And fear.
I like Jackson. When he’s healthy (which is less and less), he’s the one Warriors player who can be counted on to play tough defense and to make the kind of plays necessary in a Scatter Ball Offense.
But no, Jackson is not very trade-able. He said in the interview he wanted to go to Cleveland, first choice, or anywhere in Texas (his home state) or maybe to the Knicks to join his buddy Harrington.
Good teams avoid situations precisely like the Warriors got themselves into with SJax–productive, aging player, signed at the wrong time for too much money and WAY TOO LONG. So why would any team want to trade for that situation?
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakam...-rowells-gift/
We all have that one, otherwise average person who just gives us all we can handle. Think about any compe ion you've been involved in not just hoops.
factor his 27% shooting last playoffs he was in
do you really want to put up with him?
oh and the points he scored against mavs in playoffs was because they were playing at a very high pace
something the spurs do not do
lol pinked.
All these morons talking about what a horrible contract he has need to stfu, compare his contract to other player and u will notice that he is a great value for the production he has had over the last few yrs. Players of similar skillset like Rashard Lewis or our beloved Richard Jefferson have max or close to max deals and make twice as much as S-Jax.
Contrary to popular belief Jax's contract is actually a pretty decent one overall, and a great one for the first two yrs of it. 7.7 mill this upcoming yr for a player who averaged 20-6-5 is great great value. The only concern is the 4th yr of his deal, he will be 35 and may have declined by than...but his expiring contract could always be used as a trade asset or we could just let it run and get some cap-room by season's end. If overpaying him in the final fourth yr is what it takes to win an extra two or three les than u ing do it, our time to win is now. We'll worry about long-term consequences later.
I like SJax against bigger players like Nowitzki, I love his tenacity and fearlessness. I don't think the Spurs will be willing to take that contract on at this point...and no, I don't think he's overpaid or anything, his contract fits his contribution I believe.
His contract fits his contribution, but will it fit his contribution to the Spurs?
I don't think his contract numbers will match his production on the court except against a handful of opponents where he eliminates one of those pesky mismatches (Dallas, LA). And even then, it's more defensive production. For whatever reason, I feel much more comfortable with Jackson matching up against Kobe/Dirk than RJ.
That's the rub. Do you pay that much in luxury tax for this narrow (but potentially series deciding) skill set?
Last edited by StoneBuddha; 08-31-2009 at 04:23 PM.
For the millionth time, quit being so damn misinformed...the Spurs will take in his contract but they will also hypothetically speaking unload Bonners, Finleys, and Masons which add up to roughly about the same. If anything the luxury will increase by a few hundred thousand dollars. Nothing astronomical or scary.
And actually 7.6 mill this upcoming yr for a 20-6-5 guys is not equal to his contribution. It is actually UNDERPAID, which is why Ive been saying his contract for the first few yrs is actually great great value. The only possible risk I see is the 4th yr. Look at the type of deals average or below average players got this summer, in a damn recession nontheless. Also look at at guys of similar skillset and numbers like Richard Jefferson, Rashard Lewis, Joe Johnson, etc. S-Jax deserves his 7.6 mill and than some, his numbers should decrease if he were to join a much more stacked Spurs team but not to the point where he wouldnt be earning his money. 7.6 mill is nothing compared to how grossly overpaid most of the players are around the league and unless Jax's production plummetted of the face of the Earth he'll still be earning his money and will still likely be underpaid.
He won't average those numbers on the Spurs and he was in a fast paced system that inflated them a bit.
But he would certainly help against the Lakers and that is a bonus.
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