Noone is saying he will, just like Jefferson wont be a 20 ppg scorer...yet he makes twice as much as Jax. I just find it completely idiotic for some of u to act like 7.7 is something astronomical and that Jax is overpaid? That is nothing compared to what scrubs get this days. Varejao got a deal for more than that per yr, as did Villanueva, scrubs like Powell and Gortat will make slightly less since they got the full MLE (roughly around 6 mill). This was all during a recession might I add, those numbers couldve been even more disgusting if the economy wasnt so bad. You also have guys like Joe Johnson, Rashard Lewis, Richard Jefferson...similar players with similar numbers making upwards of 15 mill/yr.
So now u tell me how exactly is Jax overpaid? If anything he is grossly underpaid, and even if his numbers go down here...which they undoubtedly would he would likely still be underpaid or at the very least paid what he deserves.
The Spurs aren't going to take on that contract. Period. End of story. Not with 4 guys already locked up on huge contracts. If the Jefferson deal had never happened, then it's a different conversation. But Jefferson is here. And yes, he'll be overpaid for the contribution he'll give. One thing to take on one of those guys who's only got 2 years on a deal. Quite another to tack on another player with 4 years on top of that.
Well, I agree with you that next year it can be salary neutral, but every year after that, it will cost the team a ton of money unless you are assuming they do not resign Manu.
I always thought the savings from those expiring contracts were going to be earmarked for Manu / Splittler.
Personally, I hope they can work out the trade for Jackson. You've gone this far, go ahead and go for broke. Still, I think you are being a little dismissive about the salary concerns and flexibility moving forward.
I understand the concerns about the 4th yr, but right now Jax is in his prime and in great physical shape...I think its fairly reasonable to assume that he has atleast 3 good yrs left. The 4th yr might be a burden but if worse comes to worse u deal him, alot of teams will want 10 mill expiring. If a bad fourth yr is what it takes to add another two or three trophies u do it.
Also people are completely ignoring the fact that atleast for the first two yrs, possibly even the third Jax's contract will be great value. I mean honestly Ive already brought up players with similar skillset and numbers that make twice as much as him. Jax is underpaid given the numbers he produces. No doubt his numbers will go down if he comes here but so will RJs and he's getting 15 mill this upcoming season.
You don't get it. You're arguing for nothing.. The Spurs will not sign him.
They just signed Richard Jefferson this Summer. WHY would they spend valuable resources on getting a similar caliber player for the exact same position? That makes no sense.
Also, there's no way the FO is going to start messing with chemistry before it even has had time to come together in the beginning of the season.
No, they are going to do what they always do which is see how things go during the first half of the season and guage the progress/regress of certain players, especially ones on the last year of their contract, and then decide if they need to make a deal.
At that point if they feel they want to move Finley, Mason, and Bonner then they might be able to steal a player away. I can't see that happening now.
Another point - people assume that Dallas would never trade for Sjax. I see it the opposite. I think Dallas would the most likely trade target. Yeah, Nelson and Cuban don't get along, however, Nelson's son Donnie is the manager of the Mavericks. Are we to assume that Don Sr. doesn't talk with Don Jr.? That's ridiculous.
Sjax is the type of player Cuban has always gone after - brash scorers. Also Dallas has plenty of assets to work with. Cuban often makes weird moves. Cuban often spends way too much money. All these factors make Dallas a much more likely candidate than us. Not to mention, Sjax has been a Mavs killer and I could imagine he'd like to get him to play on his side.
Who knows how any of this will work out but I wouldn't expect Sjax on the Spurs ever again. Would I love for it to happen? Sure, he was an exciting player. But the chances are very low.
Hey, it's Summer. There's not much to talk about. I get it.
I think that because they might have some interest, but they know Jax won't go to other contenders or "cusp contenders", they are fine without him.
Wait and see is probably the best overall option..we'll see what we have on the team, since we have plenty of ?s, and we have expirings at the deadline..if a move needs to be made, it will be..
if mason sucked again in postseason
next offseason mason maybe on the block
wont have to bother.. he will be an FA anyway. just let him walk
this may be true, but I have to ask WHY? Mason is actually not that good at all. Yea yea people can say the move to PG ed him up, and I agree but when it comes down to it the guy is slow, one-dimensional, a bad defender, must i go on? All i have to say is mason-playoffs. Was he in a spurs uniform last playoffs? Hmm, might as well of played 4v5 because he was like a ghost out there. If Pop has some positive feelings towards mase, i hope he gets over them quickly and realize jax is 5000x better than mase. That would be just sad if the reason it doesn't happen is pop likes mase...pfft
i got a feeling jax might be better than ginobli this season...
Oh no doubt. Think manu will play pretty good, but i think jax has a better season in store. My dream-manu and jax both play great for the spurs. My nightmare-Manu gets reinjured, jax goes to the mavs/cavs and plays amazing and it comes back to haunt us. I rooting for my dream, ha
Oh come on man, everybody besides Tim and Tony sucked in that Dallas series. You can't just blame it all on Roger like that. I just think it's funny how you say he's slow, one-dimensional, and bad defender like he's the #1 option on the team or something. He's a freakin role player! I don't know why some people think you need 12 all-stars on a team for them to be good. Roger is a knock down catch and shoot shooter and thats all he's gonna need to be with The Big 3 and now RJ ready to go next season. Last year he was our 3rd and even 2nd best scorer at times and this season he'll be our 5th. That just shows how much better we'll be next season and I don't know how you could complain about that to be honest.
point taken sa. Yea i admit i might be too hard on mase sometimes, but IMO it still comes down to the team we had for the playoffs last year. Your right it was completely only tony and tim. Even as a role player he should've been able to do something-and he folded hard. I'm confident in the team we have now and love what has happened in the off-season....Oh come on man, everybody besides Tim and Tony sucked in that Dallas series. You can't just blame it all on Roger like that. I just think it's funny how you say he's slow, one-dimensional, and bad defender like he's the #1 option on the team or something. He's a freakin role player! I don't know why some people think you need 12 all-stars on a team for them to be good
But this has come up, not our choosing but its there, and you have to put things into perspective. Holt willing to pay lux tax till TDs contract is up----yep. Spurs have expiring contracts to be traded----yep. SJax is so much better than mase and bonner------yep.
We all are stoked at what already has happened this off-season, i mean it's the first off-season spurs fans can really get excited for in a long time...but call me/some fans greedy when a situation comes up as Sjax has it just makes perfect sense....spurs are dumb if they don't try...really dumb.
Well you're right that Holt seems willing to go into the lux tax as he's already proven and yes Jax is a better player than Roger, but i just don't think it makes sense to go after him. Why would the Spurs take even more of a lux tax hit to bring in another scorer when we already have the best scoring team we've had in a really long time? If we would have never gotten RJ I think this would be something to seriously consider but thats not the case. Don't get me wrong, I love Jax and i wish he would have never left but in this case i just don't think it's a good fit. That's just me though.
Heard nothing from the Warriors management yet. I doubt they would trade S-Jax.
The following statement was released today by Golden State Warriors General Manager Larry Riley:
“Stephen Jackson has been a true professional since arriving here three seasons ago, and our expectations of him have not changed despite his recent comments. He’s been one of our most consistent and productive players during that time. We expect that same display of professionalism as we begin to prepare for training camp and the start of the upcoming regular season.”
“As far as his remarks on playing for a championship…that’s not the first time we’ve heard it because that’s the goal that he sets for himself and his teammates every season. That’s the type of confidence that he exudes as a player and the reason that he has endeared himself to our fans. That’s who Stephen Jackson is.”
“We have always understood his desire to contend with the NBA’s best; that’s an aspiration that is shared by our entire organization. We will continue in our quest to achieve that goal, and to be aggressive in pursuit of those results.”
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakam...sonal-conduct/
It sounds like GS is not open to anything right now...but as we get into the season you can certainly file this one right beside Rip Hamilton as a potential trade target if Manu goes down or if Mason is not looking up to the task.
RJ, Mason, Manu = no need for Jax and his obese contract
Jax would just be a pain in the ass anyway, no thanks
Warriors' Stephen Jackson not likely moving to Mavericks
By Mark Miller
Yesterday it seemed like there was some momentum toward the Golden State Warriors sending the disgruntled Stephen Jackson(notes) to the Dallas Mavericks in an attempt at a salary dump or at least in exchange for the big contract of Jason Terry(notes).
But now it's looking like there is no way Jackson will end up in Dallas this season, according to the Dallas Morning News. The Mavs are apparently over the luxury tax already and Jackson would end up costing them $70 million over four years. Even owner Mark Cuban has his limits.
But it's not just the massive dollar amount that is keeping the team from going after Jackson. Dallas apparently doesn't want Jackson to horn in on any Shawn Marion(notes)/Josh Howard playing time.
So Jackson will just have to remain disgruntled just like so many great Warriors before him.
Source: Dallas Morning News
Nice to know there are some monetary limits in Dallas.
There's no real reason for the Warriors to trade Jack now, but it would be nice just to kill the speculation.
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