Jax wants out..

[DaBears]

One can always dream..

[benefactor]

you got me totally wrong. I know what position he plays. and that he could play 2 or 3.
the question was, what role does he play?
how many minutes will he play?
how many shots does he take?
how will he be used, considering he isn't a efficient scorer?
if you would go into the details of the game, you would see, there just isn't room for Sjax.
or he is turned into a pure stopper, who takes 5-6 shots per game. (good look with explaining this to him).
there just are not enough possessions. and you don't give the less efficient scorer more shots than the more efficient one, just to keep him happy. the Spurs won't go over 85.
I guess we all agree that Tony needs to be the #1 option and also that Tim still is the #2.
(means 17-18 FG for Tony and 14-15 for Tim). Manu NEEDS to be the #3 option, he is the Spurs by far most efficient scorer. (12-13 FG). that#s about 45 for the big 3. any lower number will hurt the teams overall success. next is JR. he will play 35 minutes. and it would be absurd not to use him intensively on offense (12-14).
you can do the math? we are at 57-60
we still have Hill (who Pop said should play a bigger role next season) and Dice (who we will also need as an offensive option, especially to create room for Tim) and some more players.
THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH SHOTS LEFT FOR SJAX, who isn't efficient enough to take away shots from Tim, Tony, Manu and JR. give him the shots and the Spurs will lose more games.
integrating Sjax into this rotation does not make the Spurs significantly better, but more expensive and I really doubt that it doesn't hurt the chemistry, when you try to turn a well known headache into a defensive role player in the Bowen mold.
of course the Spurs could very well use an upgrade at the #3 spot in the wing rotation. but therefore you need the RIGHT player and not just a good player. SJAX is good, but at this time for this role not the right man. it's so simple.
the right man for this mix would (for example) be James Jones. or James Posey. or DeShawn Stevenson (if healthy again). or Battier (to mention the role model for the job)

A couple of things here.

Jack is not going to be a primary option by any means. IMO, that is the reason why his efficiency numbers are not that great. He is not really good enough to be a primary option, yet over the past several seasons he has been one of the primary options in a jump shooting offense where taking bad shots is encouraged. Since Jack left the Spurs, he has averaged 1062 shot attempts per season. , he only played 59 games last year and took nearly 1000 shots.

I don't think its a coincidence that the best shooting year of his career percentage-wise was in 2003 with the Spurs...when he only played 28mpg and took 800 shots. I think we will see two things that will improve his efficiency if he comes here...he will take better shots because he is no longer needed to carry the load and he will get better looks because most of the offense will be keyed on the players around him. Will he be a 50% FG guy? Probably not. But if he can hover around 45% that will be good enough. Furthermore, you say that Manu needs to be the #3 option when Manu is going to need to be limited more than ever during the regular season. The days of him playing 28mpg are long gone. Having another wing that is an offensive and defensive threat would be a nice luxury to have if the Spurs are looking to keep Manu closer to 20mpg...which they should be if they plan on having him healthy in the post season.

Jack is the type of player that doesn't need shots to be productive. He has great length for a wing and is very good at getting to the rim. And there is no debating what he can bring on the perimeter defensively. You seem to be looking for some sort of defined role for him when in reality he will play many different roles. He is not a limited player like Mason or Bowen that can only do one thing well.

Jack has said himself that he is now at a point in his career where he looking to win another le...and when you couple that with him saying that Tim Duncan is one of his favorite people then your argument about him being a headache and a chemistry holds very little water. He has played here with all of our main players and he knows what Pop expects of him. TBQH, the overall tone of you post just makes me think that you just don't like him and that is why you don't want him here.

[TMTTRIO]

The days of him playing 28mpg are long gone. Having another wing that is an offensive and defensive threat would be a nice luxury to have if the Spurs are looking to keep Manu closer to 20mpg...which they should be if they plan on having him healthy in the post season.

If he's healthy Manu's going to play more than just 20 minutes a game. I see him at 25-28 minutes a game and they maybe resting on a couple of back to back games.

[benefactor]

If he's healthy Manu's going to play more than just 20 minutes a game. I see him at 25-28 minutes a game and they maybe resting on a couple of back to back games.

He will not be around for the playoffs if he plays more than 25mpg. I'll call my shot on that one.

[benefactor]

Bump.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4504553

Do it.

[Taking it to the Hole]

He wants to play for a winner, but can we take on his salary? IMO, just giving away Finley&Bonner won't be enough. We need to offer either Hill or Mason to make it happen. Even if we could make the trade, I doubt Pop and the FO are going to want him back here.

[EricB]

I doubt Pop and the FO are going to want him back here.

What makes you think that?

[Taking it to the Hole]

What makes you think that?

Since basically they have Stephen Jackson w/o the baggage, aka Richard Jefferson.

[EricB]

Since basically they have Stephen Jackson w/o the baggage, aka Richard Jefferson.

Stephen Jackson and Richard Jefferson are completely different players....

[MaNu4Tres]

Starters

Tony Parker 33 MPG
Stephen Jackson 28 MPG
Richard Jefferson 31 MPG
Antonio McDyess 26 MPG
Tim Duncan 32 MPG

Bench

Manu Ginobili 28 MPG
DeJuan Blair 18 MPG
George Hill 16 MPG
Matt Bonner 12 MPG
Keith Bogans 10 MPG
Theo Ratliff 8 MPG

Would be a damn solid squad.

[xtremesteven33]

Spurs wont try and trade for Jackson. Im pretty sure about that. I think they want to concentrate more on acquiring role players and if they were to make one more blockbuster trade it would have to be for another big man IMO.

We already have 3 backcourt players who can go for 20PPG any given night. Spurs need a defensive presence next to Duncan if they wanna win it all. Mcdyess is a good player but I honestly think he cant contain either Bynum or Gasol especially if Bynum improves. Mcdyess will be solid for us this year but i just think that we need a bigger body....

[EricB]

Mcdyess is a good player but I honestly think he cant contain either Bynum or Gasol especially if Bynum improves.

Why couldn't he "contain" Gasol?

Bynum? Please...

[Taking it to the Hole]

Stephen Jackson and Richard Jefferson are completely different players....

Yeah, I will agree that they are, but while Jackson has improved offensively, his defensive skills have degraded. I really don't see Jack filling a need on our team now that we have Jefferson. If we are looking to give someone a green light to jack up 3's, I would rather have Mason doing it than Jack. He has had problems since leaving us in 2003 and really I am not sold on his desire to win another championship.

Also, we already have five guys who have been an All-Star at one time or another on this team. There is only one basketball and Jack is someone who basically shoots when he is passed to.

Lastly, the issue of his salary. We are already in the luxury tax, so we don't need to be spending more when the player isn't filling a PRESSING need.

[benefactor]

TBQH, I think the only way we trade for Jack is if we get towards the deadline and Manu is still a question mark.

[MaNu4Tres]

Spurs wont try and trade for Jackson. Im pretty sure about that. I think they want to concentrate more on acquiring role players and if they were to make one more blockbuster trade it would have to be for another big man IMO.

We already have 3 backcourt players who can go for 20PPG any given night. Spurs need a defensive presence next to Duncan if they wanna win it all. Mcdyess is a good player but I honestly think he cant contain either Bynum or Gasol especially if Bynum improves. Mcdyess will be solid for us this year but i just think that we need a bigger body....

The centers are water downed this day and age. The player you want simply isn't alive. Camby could be that player to a very slight extent due to his age. There's a reason Spurs signed Ratliff even if its to contribute 10 minutes a game. He's a better defender and shot blocker and is tougher than Camby. They signed him to help out the areas you suggests that we need.

We will have to worry about defending a very versatile line up of :

Gasol Odom Artest Kobe Fisher when its put up or shut up time in the 4th quarter of important Laker/ Spur games in late May. Not Bynum.

A lineup of Duncan Jefferson Jackson Manu Parker could be a force against LA's go to line up with Odom at the 4.

[xtremesteven33]

Why couldn't he "contain" Gasol?

Bynum? Please...

Gasol is a great offensive player. He can be contained though, Chuck Hayes nearly shut him down completely last year but im not sure if Dyess still has that defensive ability anymore. I hope im wrong...

Also Bynum could make this Lakers team DAMN great if he continues to improve. Last year Duncan couldnt contain him at times and Bynum did a pretty damn good defensive job on Tim as well.

[manufan10]

Small ball to end games?

Tony PG
Manu SG
S Jax SF
Jefferson PF
Duncan C

Everyone always says to put your best players on the court.. would you end games like that?

[benefactor]

Small ball to end games?

Tony PG
Manu SG
S Jax SF
Jefferson PF
Duncan C

Everyone always says to put your best players on the court.. would you end games like that?

Probably not. We would have to stay bigger up front.

The SF position would likely depend on match ups and which player(RJ or Jack) could better exploit the player across from them. I would think that Jack would get more burn late in playoff games...because Jack's nuts hang low when it's late in the game.

[Sense]

I don't know if any of you know..

or if this is big news..

but about a week or two ago..

Jackson and Shaq were in Port Arthur, TX in a school I believe.....

I don't know if that means anything.. but yeah.

[SpurCharger]

I would Take SJax In A heartbeat, That Is The one Main Mistake I think The spurs Front office did was Letting Him go.... but He wont be Back, we Have nothing to Offer To Golden state..... but He does Have Ice In his Veins.....

[crc21209]

Man if we could land Jax for only a package of Bonner/Fin/picks/cash/ and whatever else we could have some straight big time shot makers in Mason and Jax. . That would be the .

[MaNu4Tres]

Man if we could land Jax for only a package of Bonner/Fin/picks/cash/ and whatever else we could have some straight big time shot makers in Mason and Jax. . That would be the .

We'd have to include Mason.

[crc21209]

We'd have to include Mason.

Just sayin if somehow it could be done...

[benefactor]

It would actually be more ideal to include Mason. Now that we have signed Bogans there would be a log jam at the wing and it would be difficult to justify keeping both Mason and Jack because there just isn't enough minutes to go around. Sending Mason would allow Jack to start at the 2 guard and he could also slide over to SF when Manu comes in.

[TDMVPDPOY]

jax is teh ultimate team mate, you be a fool not going after his services....