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    Steven Jackson is ultra- ing clutch. His problem is he hasn't done a good job of picking teams to play on like Horry did. He's only been to one Finals, but you apparently haven't watched the videos in a while. Go pop game 6 of the 2003 Finals in your DVD player and watch him. I'd match that against Horry any day.
    So one game is enough to make a player "ultra- ing clutch".

    The Finley comparision is a bad one. Mike has never really been a consistent clutch performer in the playoffs.
    SJax, Consistent ?
    FYI, in his last playoff series, SJax shot 27.9% from the field.

    Stephen Jackson is a prime time player, and you have to pay for that. You also have to put yourself in the best position to take advantage of Tim's last 3 years, and the time after that be damned. Worry about later LATER.
    It isn't a smart management not to worry about the future.

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    Steven Jackson is ultra- ing clutch. His problem is he hasn't done a good job of picking teams to play on like Horry did. He's only been to one Finals, but you apparently haven't watched the videos in a while. Go pop game 6 of the 2003 Finals in your DVD player and watch him. I'd match that against Horry any day.

    The Finley comparision is a bad one. Mike has never really been a consistent clutch performer in the playoffs. If you really want to see the difference, pop game 6 of the Dallas 2003 series in your DVD player. The difference will become plain to see. Jack has consistently been able to shoot his teams out of 8-10 point holes in playoff games throughout his career. That's a gift. I can remember Finley hitting one shot against Phoenix and having one good high volume game against Denver, and that's it for playoff moxie in 4 years.

    Stephen Jackson is a prime time player, and you have to pay for that. You also have to put yourself in the best position to take advantage of Tim's last 3 years, and the time after that be damned. Worry about later LATER.
    This.

    If there is any way to get Jax back and not sending out one of the big four, do it and worry about cap space later. If the front office is really about maximizing the end of the Duncan era, adding Jax to TD, TP, Manu, and RJ is about as maximizing as you can get.

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    I promise. It's not happening.

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    Finely + Bonner + Mason /thread
    Keep + On + Dreaming /thread

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    Whether or not it's happening, I'm torn on whether I'd even want it to happen. Bonner + Finley + Williams = Jax would be a significant talent upgrade, but is cap/tax suicide. That contract is horrendous.

    I guess this would be the answer to the Lakers landing Artest. Are we trying to match the Lakers crazy for crazy?

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    For the sake of argument, let's make the unlikely assumption that GS would be willing to accept expiring contracts for Jack. Here's what the salaries for 2010-11 look like:

    Duncan: $18.8 mil
    Jefferson: $15.2 mil
    Parker: $13.6 mil
    Jackson: $8.4 mil
    McDyess: $4.9 mil
    Mahinmi (team option): $1.7 mil
    Hill: $0.9 mil
    Blair $0.9 mil
    Haislip (non-guaranteed): $0.9 mil

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    Total: ~$65.3 million for 9 players

    This figure is right at the projected luxury tax, and you still haven't resigned Manu Ginobili. If you manage to accomplish that, you still need at least 3 more players after that. I know the Spurs front office has shown a willingness to go above the luxury tax, but there has to be a limit to their spending.

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    Even if we re-sign Manu to 8 million next season that is about 73 million for 10 players. Sign some draft picks like McClinton, next years first rounder Gist and get Scola for 3.5 of the MLE and that there is 13 players for around 80 million.
    Looking at Bruno's excellent salary thread:

    http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125187

    $80 million is pretty close to what we'll be paying this year. However, the luxury tax threshold will be somewhere around $5-9 million less. So, in real money, Holt & Co. will be paying $5-9 million more than they're paying this year, which is already more than they've ever paid in the past. If they're willing to pay that premium, more power to them.

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    I don't know why everybody thinks it's unlikely that Golden State takes contracts..I'd actually be surprised if they didn't jump at the first decent offer..

    Bonner + Mason WILL do it IMO, unless another team overspends..Jackson's contract is bad, he's old, and he doesn't want to be in Golden State anymore..they have no reason not to trade him..he isn't a good enough player that they'll hold out for a good offer, he's not an all-star or anything..they already have players for the future that they're trying to build around..cap space is good enough for them IMO..

    It's up to whether or not the front office is willing to do it..bad contract, as Bruno said, he'll be getting paid 10 mil at age 35, which is horrible..then there's the possible chemistry and stylistic issues with acquiring Jackson..

    If the front office wants it, I think we can easily pull off a trade..I don't think they'll want it though..maybe explore it again at the deadline..

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    manu is not worth 8 million a season

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    Trade chip in 2012. He'd be an ending contract for a team looking to rebuild in 2013. Why be so afraid of a 35 YO Jax, anyway? It's not like he's ultra quick or a high wire act. He's an assassin with a ultra clutch jumpshot. , Horry was tearing it up for us at 35.
    manu relies on his quickness more then sj

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    Jackson said he would be open to returning to the Spurs but would also welcome a trade to the Dallas Mavericks or Houston Rockets.
    He also mentioned Harrington's New York Knicks.
    "I'm just looking to go somewhere where I can go and win a championship," Jackson said.
    Out of that list I see San Antonio as the only legitiment option.

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    if sj wanted to be a spur still he would still be

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    Stephen Jackson is one of the top 10 clutch playoff performers in the NBA. You put up with his bad ball handling and 40% overall shooting because you KNOW he's going to go Shock and Awe on a couple of teams in your playoff run. Take that to the bank.
    really last playoff he shot 27%

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    if sj wanted to be a spur still he would still be
    Iirc....Jax never wanted to leave. His agent told him to hold out for more money, and the spurs went on and signed hedo. Jax wound up in atl with practically the same contract the spurs were offering

    Kinda like ariza this year

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    Iirc....Jax never wanted to leave. His agent told him to hold out for more money, and the spurs went on and signed hedo. Jax wound up in atl with practically the same contract the spurs were offering

    Kinda like ariza this year
    He signed with ATL for much less than the Spurs offered. His agent did not make a counteroffer to the Spurs initial offer and did not return repeated attempts by the FO to contact him. The Spurs moved on to make the deal for Hedo and there was no market around the NBA for Jackson at his asking price. Jackson and the Spurs would have been much better off if his agent was more reasonable.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...0223/index.htm

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    I don't know why everybody thinks it's unlikely that Golden State takes contracts..I'd actually be surprised if they didn't jump at the first decent offer..

    Bonner + Mason WILL do it IMO, unless another team overspends..Jackson's contract is bad, he's old, and he doesn't want to be in Golden State anymore..they have no reason not to trade him..he isn't a good enough player that they'll hold out for a good offer, he's not an all-star or anything..they already have players for the future that they're trying to build around..cap space is good enough for them IMO..

    It's up to whether or not the front office is willing to do it..bad contract, as Bruno said, he'll be getting paid 10 mil at age 35, which is horrible..then there's the possible chemistry and stylistic issues with acquiring Jackson..

    If the front office wants it, I think we can easily pull off a trade..I don't think they'll want it though..maybe explore it again at the deadline..
    That is what I think as well. Mason is young and expiring. Not only can he provide scoring for them, but he is a much cheaper Jax. Then Bonner is useful in their system. I compared him to their poor mans Troy Murphy, who was successful in that system.

    If you throw in Tiago, I bet it could be done. I do not know if I would want that, but it would be hard to pass up.

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    If mason would be included who would be the other SG? I always considered Jax a Sf..

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    Jackson would get all of Mason's touches. If he wants out and wants to be a part of a winner, he has to make sacrifices.

    He did not say he wanted out of GS because he did not get enough touches.
    Jackson is such a black hole--no pass to him goes unshot. What makes anyone think his ego would accept being no more than a third or fourth option here?

    Go check out that recent video of Pop where he talks about a comparison of RJ and Jax.

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    Ya, he says Jax is one of his favorite people in the world.

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    He's got no chance of becoming a spur.

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    He's got no chance of becoming a spur.
    This times a trillion.

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    Yeah out of tge 4 teams tge Spurs are really the only ones who could make a decent offer. Bonner+Mason+Finley would be the best fit for Golden State player and salary wise unless the Mavs offer JET. So basically if a trade happens Between these 4 teams I see tge Spurs with the pieces to make it.
    or gs could just suspend sj for conduct bad for the team and not pay him
    until gs trades him to a team they want to

    or sj could pull a kobe and decide to stay there

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    ^ They cannot do that Ducks. They cannot sit him and not pay him.

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    should be able to

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    Out of that list I see San Antonio as the only legitiment option.
    Wee..ll you could trade Jax to Houston for Barry, Kyle Lowery and Brian Cook if you could Hold Nellie down, boys, hold ol Nellie down

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