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Who else would Golden State have to give up?
mcgrady for sj
Who else would Golden State have to give up?
Also, why would Houston want to take on that contract when he does not help them win a le? That is why they let Artest walk. They were not going to pay him long term at his age with no chance at a le.
Same would go for SJax.
they let ron walk because he walked around with just his boxers on
Ducks is not good at basketball stuff
He cannot see the writing on the wall
ducks knows computers and follower basketball
Mason and Bonner for S.Jackson
If the spurs are going to bring Jax then Mason has to go. Finley needs to stay for chemistry reasons, he knows his role on the team.
Also, if you said that Mason is better than Jax, you never watched the 03 spurs play. Jax can hurt you in many ways, and he is playoff clutch. He can also play defense, something that mason cant do.
I have no interest in the Spurs acquiring Jackson. He’s mostly a defenseless, inefficient gunner who likes to over handle. He’s got a bloated contract at a position the Spurs no longer have a need for.
Mason is a better fit for this team. Two years younger, significantly less wear and tear, a much more efficient shooter and an overall hard working, committed team-first player, with no drama.
I’d be surprised to see any significant long term payroll added at this point. I suspect Splitter fills Bonner’s salary slot next year, Ginobili and Mason are re-signed to similar salary deals to what they’re making now and the rest of the roster is fleshed out with minimum or near minimum salary types like McClinton, possibly Gist and a potential 1st round pick.
I know when many Spurs fans think of Jackson they think of him in a romantic sense as far as what he contributed in ‘03. But this is a different team now and there is no need for him on this team. At $8-9 million a year for 3-4 years, to do what? Play roughly 25 mpg and generally sit in crunch time? He’d inevitably cause problems with this role because he thinks he’s better than he is.
Jax is 10x the defender Mason is. But I am not sure if that is enough to take on the contract.
If he can be had for Bonner+Mason, from a talent standpoint, it would be hard to pass up. I am just very unsure if I want him or not.
It is a serious cost to consider for Jax.
who would not
but sj is a turnover machine and wants to guarantee to start
yeah since gs has done so much lately
If Jackson wants to come back, you do whatever it takes to get him back sans trading George Hill.
See if GS wnats Bonner, Mason, Mahinmi and or Finley.
McDyess
Duncan
Jefferson
Jackson
Parker
you might as well just start engraving the GD trophy.
10x the defender Mason is? Please. I give him the edge due to superior length and slightly better athleticism and quickness. There's a difference between having the capabilities to be a good defender and actually being a good defender. Maybe he'd commit himself defensively on a contender? At any rate, he's definitely not a stopper and has a bloated contract.
All things considered, I wouldn't want him, despite the talent upgrade. You need players to fill roles on teams, particularly championship teams and I don't think Jackson would willingly accept the Mason role here. Sure, he accepted a role in '03, but that was because he was a mostly unestablished player on a one year deal, hoping to carve out a niche in the league. If he'd have been the guy to mess up the chemistry on a championship caliber team, it would have killed his career. Now he thinks he's a star.
You also have to consider the Spurs payroll. Do you want Jackson, who'd be the fifth option and generally on the bench in crunch time, to push Ginobili out the door, or prohibit Splitter from signing a year from now? Holt has a limit and I'd imagine he's, if not at it, awfully close.
After thinking it over, if he can be had for Mason + Bonner then i'd do it, that team would truly max out the last few years of Duncan and would help tons with the matchup problems with Dallas/L.A.
I just don't see it happening though.
He played a role in 2007 for the Warriors.
No reason he can't still play a role.
ALl this silly apprehension about "omg he's acancer he won't do this, he won't do that"
Is just that.
Silly and stupid.
Jackson is a much better defender than Mason. Also he has about 2-3 inches on him.
Jackson would get the nod over Jefferson in crunch time if you ask me.
Parker
Ginobili
Jackson
Mcdyess
Duncan
would be the closing team....IMO
sounds like Sjax wants to come back here......come on POP make it happen
Duncan
Mcdyess
Jackson
Jefferson
Parker
holy
manu
blair
hill
ian
ratliff
hairston
get rid of finley, bonner, mason
People who say we no chance of acquiring Capt. Jack obviously didn't listen to Pops most recent interview.
Didn't hear the interview what did he say?
Usually, we rarely see Spurs-related trades on RealGM, but I found this intriguing. Basically, we were just giving up Bonner + Mason + 1st round pick for Jackson. However, would you do Ginobili + Splitter's rights for Carlos Boozer? My problem with this would be team chemistry but is this lineup too good to pass up? Boozer, unlike Ginobili is not a 100% to re-sign, and also has injury issues like Ginobili. I found this trade extremely humorous as I cannot see Boozer re-signing with the Spurs. Just some food for thought.
http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=940744
GS trades Jackson for Korver, rights to Splitter and future SA 1st.
Ellis-Watson
Morrow-Curry
Azubuike-Maggette
Randolph-Wright
Biedrins-Turiaf
Utah trades Korver and Boozer for Ginobili, Bonner, and Mason.
Williams-Maynor
Ginobili-Miles
Brewer-Kirilenko
Milsap-Bonner
Okur-Fesenko
SA trades Ginobili, Bonner, Mason, rights to Splitter, and a 1st for Boozer and Jackson.
Parker-Hill
Jackson-Hairston
Jefferson-Finley
Boozer-McDyess
Duncan-Ratliff
In conclusion, no way we would trade Ginobili for Boozer. Boozer would want huge money which the Spurs would be unable to give him as we would have 45 million tied up in RJ, Parker and Duncan.
watch for yourself, about 1/3 into the video
http://www.nba.com/spurs/features/090825_pop.html
Aside from his contract (which is far too long), he's 31 and has averaged almost 40 mpg in the last couple years. I don't know how much longer his body is going to hold up.
But you can't really compare Mason to Jack. The height difference is huge.. Mason is probably 6'4 at most and Jack is a long 6'8. Secondly, Mason's defense was HORRIBLE in the postseason. You guys can blame Pop for playing him at PG in the middle of the season all you want, but that doesn't excuse the guy not being able to guard a statue once the big lights came on. Finley was >>>>>>>>>>>> Mason on D in the postseason.
Sure, Jack's a chucker sometimes. He's scattered. He's a "thug." But he's also one fearless mofo.
I wouldn't mind them going after him. If you get rid of Mason/Bonner in the process, then you just start Manu.
Tim
McDyess
RJ
Manu
TP
Ratliff/Mahinmi
Blair
Jackson
Finley
GHill
Not bad.
S Jax would be a gamble at best. Is he a gamble worth taking? This is what I believe.
In his heart of hearts I think S Jax WANTS to be a Spur. I think the experience lived while on the team is what he's been looking for since he left.
Would he be a positive addition?...DEFINATELY. And it's a position (SF) that the Spurs are thinest at.
But he can also adjust to SG in the event that Ginobili goes down with injury again.
What is the common goal? To win a championship right?
Having the best players on a team to help achieve that goal would be what the team (coaches and owner) would want to happen.
If it menat that for the next 2 years giving this team what they needed to have the best ability to win 1 to 2 more championships I say yes. Because after Duncan is gone and Ginobili is too scarred with injuries (even if he remains a Spur and Parker for that matter)...what legitiment possibility does this team have to win another championship after 2011?
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