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    It's ok. We figured you would need to copy and paste.
    Yeah I like stating facts. Not like your ridiculous nonsense that even Jon Stewart would call as bull .

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    It is always the inner party who "dictates" what is best for the people. Look at Saddam, Mao, Lenin and Stalin.
    I don't think Saddam, Mao, Lenin, or Stalin are representative of true Marxism. Ultimately, the "inner party" becomes just another higher class oppressing a lower class, right? That would seem to conflict with the Marxist view of a classless society.

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    Yeah I like stating facts. Not like your ridiculous nonsense that even Jon Stewart would call as bull .
    Because when you don't know something, might as well copy and paste so it looks like you do.

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    I don't think Saddam, Mao, Lenin, or Stalin are representative of true Marxism. Ultimately, the "inner party" becomes just another higher class oppressing a lower class, right? That would seem to conflict with the Marxist view of a classless society.
    The view portrayed by all these people were of the views of a "classless" society. But reality dictates that somebody has to be in charge to delegate. That is the rise and fall of Marxism in a nut s . Somebody has to lead. And in such a self depriving gorvernment as Marxism and it's offshutes in Communism and Socialism...more suffer than benefit from it's "Utopian" philosophy.

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    The view portrayed by all these people were of the views of a "classless" society. But reality dictates that somebody has to be in charge to delegate. That is the rise and fall of Marxism in a nut s . Somebody has to lead. And in such a self depriving gorvernment as Marxism and it's offshutes in Communism and Socialism...more suffer than benefit from it's "Utopian" philosophy.
    But the "reality" is not true Marxism. Whether or not true Marxism can be put into practice is a separate issue. Lenin and Mao, believed, like you alluded to, that there needed to be a party to put the "Marxist" practices into place. Once that happens, we get naturally self-interested men assuming responsibility for their society's resources. Then, what we are left with is a perverted form of a theory; hence, Leninism, Stalinism, and Maoism.

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    Today, to a degree never before seen in human history, one nation, the United States, has become the model to be followed and imitated by the rest of the world. But America's world leadership goes well beyond the tide toward democracy. We also find that more countries than ever before are following America's revolutionary economic message of free enterprise, low taxes, and open world trade. These days, whenever I see foreign leaders, they tell me about their plans for reducing taxes, and other economic reforms that they are using, copying what we have done here in our country.


    I wonder if they realize that this vision of economic freedom, the freedom to work, to create and produce, to own and use property without the interference of the state, was central to the American Revolution, when the American colonists rebelled against a whole web of economic restrictions, taxes and barriers to free trade. The message at the Boston Tea Party -- have you studied yet in history about the Boston Tea Party, where because of a tax they went down and dumped the tea in the Harbor. Well, that was America's original tax revolt, and it was the fruits of our labor -- it belonged to us and not to the state. And that truth is fundamental to both liberty and prosperity.

    Ronald Reagan to middle school students
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    Wow. What is that? A two minute speech rather than 18 minutes?

    It is an honest appraisal of the world in the 80's. I don't see it as indoctrination, plus, it was to middle school students. Not all.

    You get pussy points for not supplying a link.

    It was also at a point he had little more tome in office. In his last year rather than his first year.l

    Very little to compare if you ask me.

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    Wow. What is that? A two minute speech rather than 18 minutes?
    It was part of a speech, you dumbass.

    It is an honest appraisal of the world in the 80's. I don't see it as indoctrination, plus, it was to middle school students. Not all.
    It was an honest attempt at indoctrination of middle school students that was broadcast widely to students..

    You get pussy points for not supplying a link.
    Any idiot could find it. You're an idiot.

    It was also at a point he had little more tome in office. In his last year rather than his first year.
    So attempts at indoctrination schoolchildren are all about timing.

    Very little to compare if you ask me.
    It's worse than anything you thought Obama would do. You're a ing fraud, flaglot.

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    It was part of a speech, you dumbass.
    you for being too lazy to link or say it was an except. You are worthless, and now on ignore.

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    you for being too lazy to link or say it was an except. You are worthless, and now on ignore.
    I said earlier that he went off script, flaglot. That's where he went off script.

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    Well, this thread pretty much proves this country loves to be moronic and will find any ing way possible to justify their stupidity.

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    On the local news just now, the scroll read "Obama prepares speech exhorting students to remain in school; Local parents object"

    Ha. You gotta love this state.

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    It really is amazing the depth of stupidity this sinks to. Its one thing to subscribe to different political ideologies but this is ing re ed.

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    I'm a fan of everyone who flamed Obama, immediately thinking he'd be telling children to support his plans for world domination, er, I mean, universal health care. Their main reason was because it was not the President's place to indoctrinate children.

    Then when it's discovered Reagan did the same, the script flips to "Well, he said everything an American loving American SHOULD say!" Hehe. Awesome, if predictable.

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    I'm a fan of everyone who flamed Obama, immediately thinking he'd be telling children to support his plans for world domination, er, I mean, universal health care. Their main reason was because it was not the President's place to indoctrinate children.

    Then when it's discovered Reagan did the same, the script flips to "Well, he said everything an American loving American SHOULD say!" Hehe. Awesome, if predictable.
    if people really knew how similar obama and reagan's economic policies are when compared they would have to change their "socialist" script as well.

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    I liked the one in the EN with Obama sitting in a car next to a group of children with Pravda in one hand and candy in the other.

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    Seeing the wording on that memo it was easy to see how a lot of these anti obama zombies would get their panties in a wad over this. When taken out of context the wording would scare me a bit too. "What did the president ask of me?" is a pretty creepy statement out of context. Does he want you to be a fascist, liberal, communist, nazi, socialist, kenyan? Or when taken in the context of the speech does he want you to take responsibility for your education, strive to be productive, and ask of yourself more than what others will?

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    Seeing the wording on that memo it was easy to see how a lot of these anti obama zombies would get their panties in a wad over this. When taken out of context the wording would scare me a bit too. "What did the president ask of me?" is a pretty creepy statement out of context. Does he want you to be a fascist, liberal, communist, nazi, socialist, kenyan? Or when taken in the context of the speech does he want you to take responsibility for your education, strive to be productive, and ask of yourself more than what others will?
    ...yep, these guys are thinking like wing-nut idiots when they should be thinking like for whom the study material/read along was geared toward - kids....kids are watching the video, the President is addressing them, so why not ask them what they can do to help the President? its all about context but when has that ever mattered to wing-nuts?

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    Clearly, she's been zombiefied.


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    Clearly, she's been zombiefied.

    Exploiting children. Nice. That is exactly why people don't want their kids to see this man speak. This parent just used their lil girl for politics. "My friend says he is a republican and can't see Obama" Classless!

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    Exploiting children. Nice. That is exactly why people don't want their kids to see this man speak. This parent just used their lil girl for politics. "My friend says he is a republican and can't see Obama" Classless!
    How do you know she was made to say that?

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    "My friend says he is a republican and can't see Obama" Classless!
    Yeah, I'm sure she made that up.


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    Yeah, I'm sure she made that up.

    Why is a child on youtube talking about politics, republicans, the speech. Like I said leave my kid out of it. You disagree that is your business.

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