Obama Will 'Indoctrinate" your Children!

[LnGrrrR]

Such a horrible thing to preach the value of an education. The ing nerve of that god damn ######. How ing dare he teach our kids anything. ITS OUR JOB TO TEACH THEM NOTHING NOT HIS. I WON'T HAVE A BLACK MAN STAND UP AND DEMAND A BETTER WORLD FROM OUR YOUTH. NOT IN MY ING TOWN. NOT IN MY ING COUNTRY.

:PITCH INGFORKANDSTICKFIRE:

[DarkReign]

Republican Principles

I'm a Republican Because...

I BELIEVE the strength of our nation lies with the individual and that each person’s dignity, freedom, ability and responsibility must be honored. sounds good

I BELIEVE in equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity for all, regardless of race, creed, sex, age or disability. also good, but not very true as it applies to economic station

I BELIEVE free enterprise and encouraging individual initiative have brought this nation opportunity, economic growth and prosperity. true

I BELIEVE government must practice fiscal responsibility and allow individuals to keep more of the money they earn. laughable and wholly untrue

I BELIEVE the proper role of government is to provide for the people only those critical functions that cannot be performed by individuals or private organizations, and that the best government is that which governs least. true in theory, completely unpracticed

I BELIEVE the most effective, responsible and responsive government is government closest to the people. bull

I BELIEVE Americans must retain the principles that have made us strong while developing new and innovative ideas to meet the challenges of changing times. whatever that means

I BELIEVE Americans value and should preserve our national strength and pride while working to extend peace, freedom and human rights throughout the world. Republicans using the word "peace" as it pertains to foreign policy is also incredibly laughable

FINALLY, I believe the Republican Party is the best vehicle for translating these ideals into positive and successful principles of government. mantra making...the only thing you need is a mirror or a large group and this can be repeated ad nauseam

[LnGrrrR]

Interesting.

If you agree with a groups stated principles, but the members of that group refuse to follow their own stated principles, do you want to be a part of their group?

From GOP dot com:

That "I Believe" is a bunch of crap. Democrats could say the same thing; they just have different policies and ways to achieving their goals. You and I can BOTH believe in keeping our country safe, and have radically different ideas of what it would take to make that happen.

If you agree with 95% of the Republican platform's stated tactics for achieving those goals (no amnesty for illegals, warrantless wiretapping, increased military presence, tax cuts in the majority of cases, torture), then yes, for most intents and purposes, you're a Republican.

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, etc etc...

[SpurNation]

Somebody is gonna look mighty stupid when the White House gives a nice speech on hardwork, ethics, honesty and staying away from 'bad influences'...

Yeah...I'm sure some parents are willing to absorb a momentary look of stupidity if it meant that if for some reason in reality it goes the other direction.

What harm is it to want to know what a speech will entail before the speech is made to our children if being made by a politician? o...Transparency.

I guess I don't get it. Spending years of my life protecting, providing and being instrumental in my children's lives is all of a sudden a critical component in how they turned out. Which by the way... all have done well for themselves in many different aspects in the "individual" direction which they chose for themselves.

[SnakeBoy]

Somebody is gonna look mighty stupid when the White House gives a nice speech on hardwork, ethics, honesty and staying away from 'bad influences'...

Of course he will give a nice speech, that's not what has stirred up so many parents. I'll post it again since you seem to keep missing it...

Worksheets provided by the U.S. Department of Education encourage teachers to ask pre-K through 6th-grade students the following questions:

What is the president trying to tell me to do?
What is the president asking me to do?
What new ideas and actions is the president challenging me to think about?
Students may be asked to write down "key ideas or phrases that are important or personally meaningful, make posters of their goals, create a "supportive community" by sharing those goals with one another.

Junior-high and high-school students may be asked to brainstorm answers to the following questions before the speech:

Why does President Obama want to speak with us today?
How will he inspire us?
How will he challenge us?
What might he say?
They are encouraged to take notes while President Obama speaks about personal responsibility, goals or persistence. As part of a "guided discussion," they may talk about what President Obama has inspired or challenged them to do.

You know your liberal ass would be freaking out if Bush had kids spending school time writing about why he inspires them.

As for looking stupid, it's Obama that already looks stupid. I was listening to Pags on the way home and he was reading the statements from all the school districts that won't be showing Obama's speech. even Fort Sam Houston school district isn't going to show it. They said their decision was based on his speech interfering with PE classes .

On September 8, 2009, President Barack Obama will deliver a national address to the students of America. During this special address, the president will speak directly to the nation's youth about persisting and succeeding in school. FSHISD respects the office of the President and knows that this is an important message. However, we also wish to avoid a disruption to the school day and the loss of academic time, so no special assemblies will be held for the address. This decision was made for logistical reasons only as many students will be at lunch, P.E. and other activities outside the classroom during the original broadcast. After the speech, a link to a recorded copy will be provided through the district's main webpage.

[clambake]

fear of worksheets....funny

[Nbadan]

You know your liberal ass would be freaking out if Bush had kids spending school time writing about why he inspires them.

First of all, the words Bush and inspiration should never be used in any other context than this...

....second of all, forget that Obama is black and liberal for a second, Bush started a very unpopular war that could wind up costing tax-payers $2 trillion dollars or more in the long-run and will affect the lives of many servicemen for decades, Obama dumped a fraction of that to keep the all-mighty free-market economy from complete and utter collapse...so far, he's made the U.S. $4 billion dollars in interest...

[Nbadan]

...it was a poorly-worded memo...but kids are gonna go watch the video on Youtube anyway, and wonder why Mom and Dad did not want them to watch this inspirational speech....

[clambake]

As for looking stupid, it's Obama that already looks stupid. I was listening to Pags on the way home and he was reading the statements from all the school districts that won't be showing Obama's speech. even Fort Sam Houston school district isn't going to show it. They said their decision was based on his speech interfering with PE classes .

you thinking that this makes obama look stupid is stupid.

[SpurNation]

...it was a poorly-worded memo...but kids are gonna go watch the video on Youtube anyway, and wonder why Mom and Dad did not want them to watch this inspirational speech....

We'll see. I hope that being able to review the speech before it's given many parents take advantage of this and decide accordingly if it will be appropriate for their children to view.

Kudos to Obama for providing that.

We have been so "indoctrinated" ourselves in our adult lives by many politicians that is it any wonder that we don't trust politicians and their motives?

[LnGrrrR]

We'll see. I hope that being able to review the speech before it's given many parents take advantage of this and decide accordingly if it will be appropriate for their children to view.

Kudos to Obama for providing that.

We have been so "indoctrinated" ourselves in our adult lives by many politicians that is it any wonder that we don't trust politicians and their motives?

I know I was certainly appalled when I found out Bush was in a public school reading to children on 9/11. Leave it to obama to outsmart him though... why indoctrinate ONE school when you can indoctrinate them ALL at once? MUAHAHAHAHAH!

[jack sommerset]

Dallas Morning News article

There's no doubt the presidential address directed to the captive audience of the nation's schoolchildren Tuesday will be nonpartisan and positive. Chock full of "study hard and stay in school."

The problem? It's not his place to deliver it.

That's why my first-grader won't have any part in this.

I know some people will say that we live in a democracy, he's the national leader and the people voted for him.

Those people are wrong on all three counts. We're a republic. He's the president of a federation of states. And a majority of the members of the electoral college voted for him.

What could further cement this fundamental, dangerous misperception of the proper, limited role and power of the president's office than to have him beamed into every classroom speaking virtually ex cathedra? I got nothing.

By the way, see how I haven't mentioned the president's name? That's intentional. It wouldn't matter to me who the president is. This could be Bush, Clinton, Reagan or zombie Milton Friedman – it wouldn't matter. I don't want a president of any stripe presenting himself as the All Powerful Oz until my kid has the wherewithal to look behind the curtain.

The study materials dictated by the White House to accompany the address make the hairs on my neck stand up:

Why is it important that we listen to the president and other elected officials, like the mayor, senators, members of congress and the governor? Why is what they say important?

What specific job is he asking me to do? Is he asking anything of anyone else? Teachers? Principals? Parents? The American people?

They're not even trying to hide it: What elected officials say is important, and they are different – more important – than you. We should do what they ask. It's our role. Listen. Serve. Obey.

This is anathema to everything good in the American spirit. Government is supposed to serve us, not the other way around.

(And why should kids be taught to value the words and wants of officeholders who've tanked the economy and taken out a mortgage on their grandkids' future for nondefensive wars and failed bailouts? But I digress with these criticisms in a way I bet few teachers will.)

Look, watching a president's speech in a middle or high school civics class? No problem. In a few years, I want my kid to be confronted by challenging ideas, informed debate and opposing values. That's how a kid learns, evolves and strengthens her own ideas and beliefs.

That's not what this is.

These are grade school kids. You know, the ones who giggle over the word booger and do their financial planning based on the tooth fairy's visits. Critical thinking and nuance? Not their strong suits yet.

What this is, though, is imprinting on them the idea that one person is their leader.

And if he's the leader, what does that make them?

This didn't start with Obama and – shocker – it's not about him.

In his book The Cult of the Presidency, Gene Healy examines the decades' long drift away from the vision the Founding Fathers had for the limited role of the president, and at the disturbing trend of both liberals and conservatives to think of the office as a limitless "combination of guardian angel, shaman and supreme warlord."

This Tuesday's address will only make it worse.

Execute the federal laws, Mr. President.

You do your job (don't you have a deficit to grow or something?), and we parents and teachers will worry about the kids.

[SnakeBoy]

First of all, the words Bush and inspiration should never be used in any other context than this...

....second of all, forget that Obama is black and liberal for a second, Bush started a very unpopular war that could wind up costing tax-payers $2 trillion dollars or more in the long-run and will affect the lives of many servicemen for decades, Obama dumped a fraction of that to keep the all-mighty free-market economy from complete and utter collapse...so far, he's made the U.S. $4 billion dollars in interest...

TARP is Obama's great accomplishment now?

This must be really hard on you. Obama ran such a perfect campaign but now it's one stupid political move after another. What are you going to do a year from now when you have to defend the mounting US casualties and money spent in a failed effort to democratize Afghanistan.

you thinking that this makes obama look stupid is stupid.

I guess you haven't kept up with Obama's poll numbers. Or maybe you think that when independents are leaving him the best political move to get them back is to start ing with their kids.

[Nbadan]

TARP is Obama's great accomplishment now?

Did I say that? I said it saved the American economy, in a shaky but steady uptick now, from complete and utter collapse..and saved millions of jobs in the process

[jack sommerset]

I guess you haven't kept up with Obama's poll numbers. Or maybe you think that when independents are leaving him the best political move to get them back is to start ing with their kids.

No . This calling everyone stupid is stupid. Look at the polls. Ask a neighbor what he thinks? Read a paper. Go to these tea partys,town halls, see for yourself if they are mobsters

People are tired of all this . This not what Obama promised to the people. It's in your face everyday. Some of you were so gun ho on getting rid of Bush you forgot he wasn't even RUNNING. Now look what you got. People like myself don't even want this terd to speak in front of there kids.

[SpurNation]

Excellent point Jack regarding Dallas Morning News article.

[Nbadan]

This must be really hard on you. Obama ran such a perfect campaign but now it's one stupid political move after another. What are you going to do a year from now when you have to defend the mounting US casualties and money spent in a failed effort to democratize Afghanistan.

Just to be clear, you are FOR abandoning Afghanistan now right?

[Nbadan]

dupe

[Nbadan]

No . This calling everyone stupid is stupid. Look at the polls. Ask a neighbor what he thinks? Read a paper. Go to these tea partys,town halls, see for yourself if they are mobsters

People are tired of all this . This not what Obama promised to the people. It's in your face everyday. Some of you were so gun ho on getting rid of Bush you forgot he wasn't even RUNNING. Now look what you got. People like myself don't even want this terd to speak in front of there kids.

.....apparently, enough people thought Bush was in the Senate and House too!

[clambake]

I guess you haven't kept up with Obama's poll numbers. Or maybe you think that when independents are leaving him the best political move to get them back is to start ing with their kids.

hey, albert, go back and read what i quoted from you.

the only sensible thing you wrote in that quote was how schools wouldn't let the kids miss PE. (sensible because pound for pound, you guys are some of the fattest ers in the union).

[ploto]

I am just curious as to where all the protests were about interfering with instruction time last week during the elementary school pep rally.

[ploto]

I guess some of you would have had your heads explode in January when my child's school watched the inauguration.

[LnGrrrR]

I know some people will say that we live in a democracy, he's the national leader and the people voted for him.

Those people are wrong on all three counts. We're a republic. He's the president of a federation of states. And a majority of the members of the electoral college voted for him.

I agree with him where he stated the power grab the Presidency has taken since the founding fathers... but the lines above are ridiculous. Yes, we're a democratic republic, but it's pretty obvious what people mean when they say that America is a democracy. He is obviously a national leader... what, the UNITED STATES isn't a nation now, but some ragamuffin clan of fiefdoms? And finally, the majority of people DID vote for him. That's usually what is meant by the term "The people voted for him". That phrase isn't meant to imply that every person in the election voted for him, obviously. It's a strawman attack.

[jack sommerset]

.....apparently, enough people thought Bush was in the Senate and House too!

That is a great point. They hated Bush sooooo much they took away as much power as they could in 2006. Perhaps they were right. Perhaps one man cannot have all that power. Obama is going down this same road. 2010 people will vote republican hoping to take away as much power from Obama as they can.

[Wild Cobra]

I guess some of you would have had your heads explode in January when my child's school watched the inauguration.

No, that's a historical event for social studies. As long as they would have done the same if McCain had won, where's the problem?