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What will happen when some kind turn in papers to their teachers that effectively say:
"He does not inspire me."
Will that child fail that assignment?
You know this is mostly a protest. Not all but most. Speaking for myself, I am not too concern about what Obama will say. Sure I might have to tell her the earth won't die or anything. I really have no clue what this guy will say in a hour, why he thinks it's ok for him to do this and to ask kids what he does that inspires them. But what I do know he has no right to do this. I have had enough. This is a small way I can say "I have had enough of politics" Leave my kid alone. And I hate the guy. I really think he is bad for our country and he has hurt our country.
What will happen when some kind turn in papers to their teachers that effectively say:
"He does not inspire me."
Will that child fail that assignment?
Last edited by Wild Cobra; 09-03-2009 at 11:26 PM.
Under the Obama rules that will go under as something fishy and the teachers will be asked to send those papers to the White House.
But TX parents let their kids be indoctrinated that creationist bull and Biblical fairy tales are just as scientifically valid and asworthy of consideration as Darwinism.
The ing USA is the laughing stock of the planet.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 09-04-2009 at 03:34 AM.
Indoctrination!
http://www.dailykostv.com/w/002099/
It's hard to argue that.
My position on Afghanistan is the same as it has always been. I support opening up a big can of American whup ass on Afghanistan for awhile then patting ourselves in the back for a job well done and then getting the out while the gettin is good. It's a hole, always has been always will be.
What is truly taking place now in the people's minds is that we are not a nation of either this or that. We are a nation of multiple beliefs and convections. We are more educated and less temporal to our beliefs.
If any one party or individual comes into power we feel that we are not being represented fairly if we believe different. I don't know...it is complex more so than it was just 30 years ago. We are a nation evolving. Into what I hope will be determined by the inate good that is in all of us and not by political discord.
I'm not sure if anyone has said this but this whole thing could just be one big stunt to draw attention away from Obama sucking ass. Just think about it. A lot of parents are pissing in their pants because Obama is going to talk to kids at school. This is drawing attention away from Obama sucking ass on the real problems i.e. the economy and his health care plan. If Obama is doing this whole thing for that sole reason then he is a genius. I'm still curious to see what would have happened if this had happened under Bush. I don't even think it would have been allowed. I'm 100 percent that there wouldn't have been a video of celebrities pledging their allegiance to Bush.
if there were a video, do you think they would sell it at target?
How did this thread even go past one post?
The lib s are re ed for actually condemning anyone pulling their kid out for any reason. You don't actually learn anything at public schools unless you are in honors or AP courses. If you are in those courses you know the material and politics anyways. WGAF if kids miss random days? They are also dumb for thinking that any kid would actually pay attention to any educational message int he video at all. If the parent can't motivate them, no one can.
The neo-cons are re s too. The entire school system already indoctrinates your children in everything from morals, to expected freedoms, to how government is awesome and how STDs will kill you instantly. Maybe you should home school your kid, they don't learn crap anyways. It's also laughable that anyone seriously expects an indoctrination message of any kind. Anyone with a brain cell would know that would be political suicide. Everyone knows its going to be another boring "blah blah stay in school and work hard even though society encourages you to fail and hate school because your parents are failures and let the state raise you". There won't even be subliminal messaging.
The political forum sucks more than the dead Oden thread. The only point is to check in and see how everyone is polarized to one side; based on totally arbitrary "choices" that most likely have no moral significance in the long run. The only things more whacko are the pseduo-independents and false-libertarians that don't want to be generalized with the socialist or authoritarian parties that we vote in.
Step outside from Mom's basement every once in a while. The Political Forum is reflection of what is going on everywhere...the Spurs get 3-4 hours of basketball on TV/Radio maybe 3 times a week during the season...politics is 24-7 year round....don't hate the player just cause you don't like the game...player...
Target wouldn't but I'm sure Wal Mart would.
Are news networks going to cover this event all day long or just give a recap of it? It just seems like people are orgasming a little too much about this. They're acting like a president has never visited a school before. Presidents have been doing that for decades. It's tradition.
I'd absolutely let my 6 yr old child hear the president of either party speak. He would think that was cool and I would agree with him. Of course my kid is going to be able to think for himself and have the analytical skills to be able to decide what kind of person he wants to become. I respect his intelligence and try to not get in his way when he expresses himslef through an opinion or his actions. Even in the end if he , gasp, becomes a conservative then I will respect him just as much as if he was a liberal. It is not my job to malke him think a certain way...
Now on to you dead ender indoctrinators..I feel sorry for your kids but I'm sure we will eventually see them at townhall meetings yelling at the top of thier voices at whom they diagree with.. calling people names even though they can't define what they are accusing of what other people are..
You are naive to believe that between the textbooks and state and US mandated laws in our public school system, that government involvement doesn't already exist. Where was every one's bleeding heart when Bush brought along No Child Left Behind?
ROFL. My oldest son worked Obama's campaign. I kept him in my will anyway.
He's wasn't a bright kid tho.
Ooooo! boutons found another bumpersticker!
I have never, in my short 32 years, seen so much fear mongering and paranoia...is this how the conservative party has been all along? It is in scary the level that people are going to about our current politics. Have i just not paid attention, and this is how its always been? It seems like people are taking to DEFCON 5 Dumbassery lately, in bizzare.
What is so bad about the President of the United States talking to school children about the importance of a good education. He is the ing president, he SHOULD be a role model and someone your kids should look up to.
I didnt read this whole thread, its just too much for me...but jesus H christ people...its scary how far skewed some people are.
Conservative media take note: Reagan preached tax cut gospel to America’s students
September 03, 2009 1:09 pm ET - by Matt Gertz
Putting aside possible ulterior motives, the conservative freak-out over President Obama’s planned speech to students urging them to stay in school and work hard is due to fears that Obama will use his platform as an opportunity to push his agenda on unsuspecting students. Ironically, that’s exactly what President Reagan did two decades ago.
On November 14, 1988, Reagan addressed and took questions from students from four area middle schools in the Old Executive Office Building. According to press secretary Marlin Fitzwater, the speech was broadcast live and rebroadcast by C-Span, and Instructional Television Network fed the program “t o schools nationwide on three different days.” Much of Reagan’s speech that day covered the American “vision of self-government” and the need “to keep faith with the unfinished vision of the greatness and wonder of America” but in the middle of the speech, the president went off on a tangent about the importance of low taxes:Today, to a degree never before seen in human history, one nation, the United States, has become the model to be followed and imitated by the rest of the world. But America's world leadership goes well beyond the tide toward democracy. We also find that more countries than ever before are following America's revolutionary economic message of free enterprise, low taxes, and open world trade. These days, whenever I see foreign leaders, they tell me about their plans for reducing taxes, and other economic reforms that they are using, copying what we have done here in our country.During the question-and-answer portion of the event, Reagan returned to the topic, this time telling the students that lowering taxes increases revenue:
I wonder if they realize that this vision of economic freedom, the freedom to work, to create and produce, to own and use property without the interference of the state, was central to the American Revolution, when the American colonists rebelled against a whole web of economic restrictions, taxes and barriers to free trade. The message at the Boston Tea Party -- have you studied yet in history about the Boston Tea Party, where because of a tax they went down and dumped the tea in the Harbor. Well, that was America's original tax revolt, and it was the fruits of our labor -- it belonged to us and not to the state. And that truth is fundamental to both liberty and prosperity.Q My name is Cam Fitzie and I'm from St. Agnes School in Alexandria, Virginia. I was wondering if you think that it is possible to decrease the national debt without raising the taxes of the public?The students probably didn’t know any better, but this is an idea that has been rejected by virtually every economist not named Larry Kudlow.
PRESIDENT REAGAN: I do. That's a big argument that's going on in government and I definitely believe it is because one of the principle reasons that we were able to get the economy back on track and create those new jobs and all was we cut the taxes, we reduced them. Because you see, the taxes can be such a penalty on people that there's no incentive for them to prosper and to earn more and so forth because they have to give so much to the government. And what we have found is that at the lower rates the government gets more revenue, there are more people paying taxes because there are more people with jobs and there are more people willing to earn more money because they get to keep a bigger share of it, so today, we're getting more revenue at the lower rates than we were at the higher. And do you know something? I studied economics in college when I was young and I learned there about a man named Ibn Khaldun, who lived 1200 years ago in Egypt. And 1200 years ago he said, in the beginning of the empire, the rates were low, the tax rates were low, but the revenue was great. He said in the end of empire, when the empire was collapsing, the rates were great and the revenue was low.
Do Sean Hannity and the folks at NewsBusters think President Reagan was engaging in Maoist indoctrination? Do Glenn Beck and WorldNetDaily think Reagan was pulling a Mussolini or attempting to assemble his own Hitler Youth? Or is it possible that the conservative media has decided that if Obama is for it – whether “it” means “universal health care” or “stay in school” – they’re against it?
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The ideological, doctrinaire hate media is totally against indoctrination ... only if the doctrines aren't theirs.
Perhaps you should have read more. For people that think people are scared what Obama will say are the ones who are out there. Again. The President has zero rights to teach our kids. Conversation should end there. Throw in the fact he wants to do what ever he wants and not tell people is another reason. The fact that people hate this guy is another. People are sick of this guy. He wants kids to make posters for him, tell him what he should do as president (ha, most americans don't want healthcare,cap and tax,actual stimulus money to boost the economy),he wants to know how he inspires 5 year olds. Kids should not be subjects to politics in school. Leave that for the adults.
He is going to far. He is a elective official. Not a teacher. He also shouldn't give teachers talking points before and after his hour long school lesson. This whole thing stinks of mindless self indulgence and and dirty politics. He is not listening.
Some folks say you don't want him to speak because he is black. Give me a ing break, some say you don't want your 5 year olds to think for themselves. That speaks for itself. Some say you are scared. All stupid. Some schools don't want to do the right thing, the parents have a chance to.
You're right, your kids are much better off being subjected to cheerleader partisan politics and fear mongering than a pro-education and pro-community-service message from the President of the United States.
You are insane and I pity your children.
i've seen your playbook. why don't you call in a bomb threat? or have your kids class create a grade-school quality animation about mobile library labs? or hold up a vile of white obama dust for everyone to gaze?
Nice level headed thinking.
For clarification purposes the people you refer to as hating him didn't vote for nor will they ever support him. So since our country is roughly 50/50 politics wise , are you saying that the president (whomever it is) will never be able to talk to children because half the country hates him? So in your world the President should never talk to a child..
So instead of having your kids get a pro education message from a figure head, you would rather what? They do the same thing they always do in public school? Just enough to get by, and then drop out and suck up tax dollars with welfare? Some kids (alot of kids) could use a positive role model in their lives...not every kid on earth has the perfect white picket fence life that you may have had. If this speech helps even one kid get motivated to succeed in school, then damn, i think its worth it...what are you so affraid of? Are you or your kids so incapable of thinking for themselves that if you hear anything dissenting you may not be able to control yourself? I dont get it. Would you rather your kids be allowed to go sit out in the lunch room and peddle Mom's hydrocodone to each other for spending money?
what the is the big idea...are you opposed to bookit, or D.A.R.E too?
I seriously just dont get the fear here...do you dislike McGruff the crime dog, or Ronald McDonald...Point being, these are all things used to get your kids to pay attn and make good choices in their lives...
Sorry not picking on you specifically...you were the only one replying so i used it as an example.
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