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Madison opposed Jim Crow laws. He was protecting his friends from Jim Crow laws.
We aren't talking about James Madison Bell.
We're talking about James Madison.
James Madison didn't do everything humanly possible to end slavery because he didn't free his own slaves.
Madison opposed Jim Crow laws. He was protecting his friends from Jim Crow laws.
James Madison didn't free his own slaves. Nothing you've posted changes that fact.
He died before he got a chance to do it.
James Madison could have freed his slaves at any time during the 35 years he owned them.
He didn't.
He could have freed them upon his death.
He didn't.
James Madison never freed any of his slaves.
Oh .
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I wasn't aware people reverenced the founding fathers as holy men. That's a brand new one on me.He was a divine man, an angel.
Not all the Founding Fathers were holy.
But one was, James Madison, a divine man who walked on water, an angel living in our midst, a God-inspired law-giver who has granted us liberty.
James Madison didn't grant his slaves liberty.
Liberty is a natrual right, from God, not an artificial right, created by man.
So James Madison didn't grant us liberty either.
Madison granted us liberty. It was his idea, in the Virginia Plan, to set up a reasonable way to amend the Cons ution (unlike the Articles of Confederation).
The 13th amendment freed the slaves, as Madison wished.
You just said man can't grant us liberty.
So Madison didn't grant us liberty.
He certainly didn't grant liberty to any of his slaves.
He freed some of his slaves. Dolly Madison was supposed to free the rest of them.
He freed none of his slaves. He sold one to a person in a state where slavery was scheduled to end in a few years, but he never directly freed any of his slaves. He died with about 100, roughly the same number he started out with 35 years earlier.
James Madison never freed any of his slaves. It will forever be a blight on his otherwise mostly distinguished history.
I love it how some people look past the intention of somebody no matter how difficult the situation may have been at the time just to try and discredit them for anything good they may have been attempting to do.
We didn't live back in that time...the goals were probably so far reaching that the everyday person couldn't comprehend or accept what might have been thought would never change.
Much like Columbus proving the world wasn't flat.
This is totally overblown IMO, particularly the granted us liberty part, but I think I know what you mean. You like Madison, you treasure his influence and contribution to our history, and you consider him to be God-inspired. Fine.
If Madison was no angel himself, maybe there was an angel in his vicinity at some point. I can handle that, G.
I give full credit for all the good Madison did.
That doesn't change or excuse the fact that he owned 100 human beings and never freed any of them. Why is this such a problem for you to acknowledge?
Madison never bought any slaves. He opposed that. There can't be any slavery without slave buyers.
In principle, perhaps.
In practice liberty is an artificial right, created and enforced by states, and contingent upon the state's recognition and the vigilance of the people for its continued survival.
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Madison owned 100 slaves.
Madison never freed any of his slaves.
There was slavery on Madison's plantation because Madison owned other human beings -- human beings he never freed.
I would put Dr. Williams in first place, but now I am quibbling with the blurb.
Despite being a commie, CLR James wrote a dam fine book about the Haitian Revolution.
Haiti was the second free republic in the New World, and the only politically successful slave revolt anywhere that I am aware of. Survived the invading armies of France, Spain and England successively.
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Toussaint L'Ouverture was their George Washington.
A very impressive man.
Kinda fun to watch CD tap dance all over G.Oh .
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