It's not the only factor, but a major contributor to the problem is the fact our favorite developers have been forced to band together into conglomerates due to piracy.
ing assholes downloading your games is what causes this to happen. They need more money. Just imagine if everyone had bought all their games. I bet you we wouldn't have as many advocating penny pinching, widely appealing franchises, and pay to play online.
There are plenty of console gamers who know the difference and just don't care.
You're suggesting a boycott of the 360/PS3 versions, on behalf of pc gamers and the pc features console gamers are perfectly en led to dismiss?
I'm sorry if you feel consoles have lowered the bar for PCs, but , as consumers, were en led to the lower bar, be that our wont. Your community is going to have to fight its own battle.
What drove me away from pc gaming (and i was very fond of it)
Too many glitchers/cheaters. And punkbuster booting me off of servers when I had no modified files.
Totally true. To be honest, I hope CoD/InfinityWard/Activision become console exclusive games, so that I dont have to care.
But the truth is, without the PC community, CoD doesnt even exist for console gamers.
It would be a uva lot better if IW just came out and said in plain-speak that theyre abandoning the PC as a gaming platform.
Instead, theyre trying to dumb-down whats left of the PC community. Personally, I dont think its going to work. It will sell, it will sell well and there will be a HUGE CoD game coming out in the future to encourage their strategy.
I just think that sucks. Plenty of developers will cater to the PC FPS market making games not capable of being played on consoles (crysis, JOPs, BF, etc) and the clans will find their home somewhere else.
It just bums me out that the pinnacle of personal gaming is being ignored, and somewhat endorsed by console gamers. It almost seems console gamers want the PC to die out of spite. Short-sighted doesnt even being to do justice to that sentiment....more like "utterly ing imbecile".
But again, Im 30 years old in less than 10 months. I shouldnt be playing this bull anyway at my age. Gaming keeps going this way and it will just accelerate the Coming of Age I have been avoiding for about a decade.
, maybe I might have a kid, too.
I have been PC gaming since I Doom. I used to compete in CAL leagues for SoF2, good clan, months of time played in FPS games.
Ive seen....maybe 30 cheaters in all these years. Maybe.
Thats less than 2 a year. Granted, I never played CounterStrike, so that could be where you and I differ. CS was bull on a stick.
I have seen plenty more than that especially in SOF2 which was one of my all time favorite pc games. Medal of Honor as well. For a short time I modded some files right before i threw in the towel on pc gaming.
I havent totally abandoned it as I have a semi decent rig and will pick up a game every once in a while. (just dl'd Operation Flashpoint and it is mehhh..)
CS was where I did most of my league-level competing. Problem is that hacking was so prevalent, if you had a really good game the other team accused you of it and the evidence for you or against you was incredibly subjective. It's hard to prove your innocence when you are right on a gut instinct.
I certainly don't want the PC to die out of spite. I truly do feel bad about what's happening to the industry. And I shouldn't have said I'm sorry if you feel the bar is being lowered by consoles, because it is being lowered by consoles.
Still, I'm a console gamer. Have been since before I got my first Nintendo 22 years ago. Besides the occasional foray into PC, gaming, my entire life, has involved a console, my TV, a controller and quite often a cartridge. I'm a victim of habit and after two decades- ingrained culture.
I'd like to change up in theory, but it, pretty soon I'll be saying:
Im 30 years old in less than 10 months. I shouldnt be playing this bull anyway at my age.
Im closely pushing 35 and although I don't play as much as I used to I don't see myself not gaming for many years to come.
Gaming has been a part of my life since I was in the womb (assuming I heard mario bros. theme since my mom played it a lot while she was pregnant). It will always be a commonly used form of entertainment by me, and that medium is everexpanding. I'm hoping in 25 years I can enter my fullbody VR suit and actually touch and smell the world I'm playing in..
Maybe we've gotten to a point where the advances in technology aren't coming as often as they used to, but there's no question there was a time that you had to get a new video card every six to twelve months when the newest games came out.
Ah, so you're buying into the whole, "Piracy on the PC is what ruined PC gaming".
This is the same argument as what the RIAA has made that "Napster/Torrenting has ruined music sales."
Because, you know, nothing says, "WE'RE GOING OUT OF BUSINESS ZOMG PIRATES" like absolutely record breaking sales EVERY year.
Again. 6,000,000+ copies of Half Life 2.
100,000,000 (one hundred million) copies of The Sims/Sims 2/Sims 3.
11,000,000+ copies of World of Warcraft.
Left 4 Dead sold so exceedingly well that Valve decided to release a sequel a year later, despite the fact that people are still buying the original.
I'm now playing League of Legends, a game that is COMPLETELY FREE TO OWN AND PLAY, and yet the developers are sure they're going to make money from people buying the optional collectors edition and extra revenue from the other merchandising they're putting into the game.
Even Crysis, a game maligned for it's brutality on GPUs, and a game that was initially purported to be losing money and sales due to piracy, sold over 1,500,000 copies by the mid-point of 2008, which surpassed EA's sales expectations. Amazing. A game that was publicized by EA for sluggish sales due to piracy ended up selling MORE games than they projected to. Perhaps sales sucked because no one had a computer that could run Crysis on high settings (let alone maximum) in 2007?
The argument that "piracy is killing PC gaming" is absolutely trash. It is industry hoopla generated purposely in order to allow lazy development of games without adapting it specifically for the PC, all while the massively rich gaming mega-companies can play the "woe is me" victim card.
Did you not understand my argument? They are encouraging mainstream gaming in order to increase sales.
Half life 2 = huge franchise
The Sims = hugest franchise
WoW = huge franchise.
Additionally, the companies themselves get rich but the employees from middle management down (where all the actual work happens) are nowhere near it. When their games don't produce sales, they are the ones who feel the pressure, not the conglomerates. And even so, games are extremely expensive to make. It's a very difficult business to be profitable in, and even more difficult to break into independently. These huge companes owning all our developers are going to muddy the waters.
besides, you're stealing. Just balls up and say you don't mind stealing what the majority of people worked hard for and are not getting rich off.
I would say you do not. Now, there will always be bleeding edge games made (like Crysis) that push the upper limits of the newest techs.
But by and large, PC games are designed in two distinct ways:
1) Scalability - allows the engine to scale to whatever settings the user wants/needs
2) Modular - allows users to customize their play experience from small (interface changes to Oblivion) to huge (console commands).
So even a mid-range system (thats well under $600) can play everything new to almost max settings and should be good-to-go for at least 2 years with only a GPU upgrade needed after that 2 year period.
Okay, so what about Crytek? They were a nowhere company before releasing Far Cry. Now they're one of the major players and pioneering graphical advances that are pushing the limits of PCs like never before.
It's amazing that this discussion is even coming up in a Call of Duty thread. Considering that CoD would not even EXIST if PC gamers didn't go out and buy millions of copies of the game.
Blizzard is obviously huge now -- but how is that the case considering they are entirely a PC based gaming company? Yet the Starcraft/Warcraft/Diablo series has had incredibly good sales since they're inception.
Piracy is NOT a problem if you make games people want to play and pay money for.
Gaming companies go out of business all the time. And guess what? Console-based companies fail too! The trickle-down effect can hardly be limited to -- or blamed on -- piracy.Additionally, the companies themselves get rich but the employees from middle management down (where all the actual work happens) are nowhere near it. When their games don't produce sales, they are the ones who feel the pressure, not the conglomerates.
Absolutely true. I have never pirated any game, music or piece of software.
Never will.
My rationale is, if you like something, why dont you support it by buying it? Why steal the newest White Stripes album, when you like the band?
Why steal the new CoD game when you know its going to rock?
Software like Photoshop.....meh, I dont care that people steal that . That doesnt bother me in the slightest....waaaaaaaay overpriced.
In the end PC will prevail. The open platform always wins.
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Plus, in Europe PC is pretty much the main thing going from my understanding. There are more and more badass production houses in Europe, especially in Eastern Europe and Russia. Even if they slow down making games stateside, the slack will be picked up elsewhere. This is fine with me, because some of the most interesting games are already coming out of that region anyway, like Cryostasis and S.T.A.L.K.E.R. I can't wait for Call of Pripyat.
The real future though, IMO, is in online MMO/MMOFPS with free-play and then paying for certain additional content. I'm playing the A.V.A. beta right now, and then you have Huxley coming out at some point also.
PC will be fine, and it will always pwn console.
How can you steal something if the original person stills has their copy? It's called borrowing. I suppose if I use my neighbors lawnmower Sears can say I'm stealing from them? You tree huggers have it all wrong.
you could always get by by lowering picmip and other gfx settings, and only upgrade when absolutely necessary every other year.
This kind of stuff is why I am such a huge fan of Carmack, and Valve to a lesser extent. They realize and appreciate the contributions of the community to their games, and even absorb mods into permanent game modes. The Quake community produced the ctf mod, and iD ended up hiring Zoid (creator of CTF for Q1) to help with Quake 2 ctf, which was released after with a free patch. I had no problem buying games like that, because I knew they were made to be played for years and would keep growing and being developed. As much as I dislike CS, it started out as a Half Life mod, which used a heavily modified Q2 engine, and ended up being an officially supported and developed mod, even basically turning into its own game. Team Fortress was a great Quake 1 mod, later bought by Valve and bas ized into Team Fortress Classic (which I thought sucked), and then Team Fortress 2 came out and recaptured the spirit of the original. No mods = biting the hand that fed your industry for years, and although the original modding/PC gaming community is spread out over dozens of different games, they don't hesitate to band together and be very vocal about something like this. I have never even played Modern Warfare, and never plan on doing so, but this story really irritates me.
You're not stealing if you use your neighbors lawnmower, no, but if you invented some fabulous piece of techno-machinery that could make near-free replications of Black&Decker lawnmowers, you couldn't blame Sears for responding with some sort of draconian protectionism.
And I'm not saying that from some holier than thou perspective. I steal all sorts of media... its just, I do consider it stealing.
As far as I understand, its a bit of a misnomer to say mw2 won't be modable, etc. Almost nothing is known about IWNET, except that people won't be able to host on their privately rented or owned server space.
If someone's heard otherwise, I'm open to rebuttal, but it might could be and is somewhat plausible that iwnet will be very heavily influenced by the Steam/Valve model. MW might operate much like it did before, just through the iwnet client and iwnet servers. Then again, maybe not.
But anyways you're 100% right in saying Valve has proved that pc gaming and judicial developer oversight can co-exist; it might not be ideal and I'm not saying that's where iw is going, but IMO that scenario wouldn't be as bad a thing as the mw2 community's response would indicate.
Thats the dumbest damn analogy I have heard since whottt.
When you borrow a lawnmower, there is only one lawnmower in existence. When you borrow it from your neighbor, he cannot cut his grass because you have it.
An IP is a copyrighted form of creative product. You steal it when you dont pay for it.
In the past, you could borrow a CD or cassette, then give it back.
But now you have torrent sites streaming artists, creators, developers, movie studios hard-work right to hard drives across the globe.
Its the "me! me!" mentality of this world. You dont deserve on a shingle. You want to see Transformers 2? Go ing pay for it like every other human being.
Naw, just steal it. Just dont about any misfortune's you may endure by way of theft. The more people steal from you, the more you'll understand what its like.
I dont what you do for a living, mouse, but IIRC you do repair some computer for peeps around ST. Furthermore, I *think* youre more of the bartering type than a strict pay service.
Well, lets pretend like you owned your own computer repair shop. You fixed peeps computers, then they refused to pay.
Thats what you are...the person not paying for someone else's work. Thats called being a thief, a goniff, a gypsy.
Hiding behind the internet and digital software doesnt change what youre doing. Downloading DragonAge from a torrent site is exactly like going to Best Buy and jocking the box.
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