Obama "We noticed"

[Ignignokt]

So demons cannot work directly on or through men by causing them to do things like not properly "honor" a pledge?

That's fine. They're your beliefs.

I think you know better.

Many christians believe that man, even though his will is enslaved to sin, has the capacity to choose. That goes from choosing to sin, or choosing to do something stupid, or brilliant.

Whether a demon influences a human being is just conjecture, they can influence a human being, but ultimately we are all responsible for our actions.

Just because Hegamboa believes that demon exist doesn't mean he believes all our decisions are enacted by them.

[Ignignokt]

Who says I am worried? I'm just wondering what could be included in Phenom's list of possibilities.

More than likely not out of a true inquisitive spirit(non demonic spirit that is..), but just to troll.

[ChumpDumper]

I think you know better.

Many christians believe that man, even though his will is enslaved to sin, has the capacity to choose. That goes from choosing to sin, or choosing to do something stupid, or brilliant.

Whether a demon influences a human being is just conjecture, they can influence a human being, but ultimately we are all responsible for our actions.

Just because Hegamboa believes that demon exist doesn't mean he believes all our decisions are enacted by them.

I never said enacted.

I said misled. If demons can influence men, can demons be influencing Obama in what is ultimately his choice?

I'm asking if any of you consider that to be a possibility.

[clambake]

omg phen, now you don't sound crazy at all.

wanna pray?

[ChumpDumper]

More than likely not out of a true inquisitive spirit(non demonic spirit that is..), but just to troll.

Then yours is nothing more than a troll post as well.

I do this to find out what people believe. Phenom's refusal to answer the question I asked leads me to think he's a little afraid to talk about demons in relation to political figures, which is interesting since he doesn't hesitate to talk about them in relation to other issues.

[Ignignokt]

I never said enacted.

I said misled. If demons can influence men, can demons be influencing Obama in what is ultimately his choice.

I'm asking if any of you consider that to be a possibility.

Me and Obama being both Christians, always consider that a possibility for anyone to be misled by them.

My personal belief is that, I don't think Obama needs a demon to mislead him to do stupid things. That's what ideologies are for.

[ChumpDumper]

Me and Obama being both Christians, always consider that a possibility for anyone to be misled by them.

I'm not under the impression that all Christians believe that way. Maybe you could let me know what your contention is based upon.

My personal belief is that, I don't think Obama needs a demon to mislead him to do stupid things. That's what ideologies are for.

Could demons have had a role in the formation of those ideologies?

[Ignignokt]

I'm not under the impression that all Christians believe that way. Maybe you could let me know what your contention is based upon.

Could demons have had a role in the formation of those ideologies?

he he..

Many people profess to be christians, and you're right, the views will range. But if you're a christian, One of the tenets are that there is a God, and an Adversary.

Now Obama invoked alot of his faith on the campaign trail and said he was Christian, professed Jesus Christ.

I think he went to Trinity Church in Chicago for the Gospel message, and not the black Liberation theology. What say you?

[ChumpDumper]

he he..

Many people profess to be christians, and you're right, the views will range. But if you're a christian, One of the tenets are that there is a God, and an Adversary.

Now Obama invoked alot of his faith on the campaign trail and said he was Christian, professed Jesus Christ.

I think he went to Trinity Church in Chicago for the Gospel message, and not the black Liberation theology. What say you?

I think that has nothing to do with what you believe.

I also don't think that attendance at any particular church means the attendee adheres completely to all the beliefs of that church.

[Ignignokt]

Could demons have had a role in the formation of those ideologies?

Sure, they could. I don't know if they do, and that doesn't matter. Sin, death, gravity are present devils or not.

As christians we judge things on what "fruit" they bear. Not whether they have little devils orchestrating them, we are not omniscient enough.

Ideologies are all imperfect if you measure them to Christ. So whether if one ideology is influenced by a demon or not, they are the same in that they are not God's but man.

[clambake]

uh oh

[ChumpDumper]

Sure, they could.

Thanks, that's all I was asking.

[Ignignokt]

I think that has nothing to do with what you believe.

I also don't think that attendance at any particular church means the attendee adheres completely to all the beliefs of that church.

You're right, people can cherry pick what they want out of beliefs. WE don't know if Obama went to church for the Chrisitian aspect or the Radical Black liberation theology hate doctrine going there.

We'll never know as to what extent Obama believes in any of those truly.

[Ignignokt]

Thanks, that's all I was asking.

, right.

[Ignignokt]

uh oh

Aw man.. did your adult diaper have a "breakthrough"?

[ChumpDumper]

You're right, people can cherry pick what they want out of beliefs. WE don't know if Obama went to church for the Chrisitian aspect or the Radical Black liberation theology hate doctrine going there.

We'll never know as to what extent Obama believes in any of those truly.

I think he just went for the political connections more than anything.

Do you believe he went mainly for what you call the hate theology?

, right.

right. Phenom's refusal to answer the question said enough, as did your unsolicited tangents off into insinuating Obama is a believer in "hate theology." It's entertaining to watch.

[Ignignokt]

I think he just went for the political connections more than anything.

So is he being deceitful?

Do you believe he went mainly for what you call the hate theology?

I'm just asking questions like you?

right. Phenom's refusal to answer the question said enough, as did your unsolicited tangents off into insinuating Obama is a believer in "hate theology."

I didn't say i knew Obama believes in hate ideology, i just raised the question. Asking a question is not an attack according to Cry Havoc you know.

Plus..
I was just being inquisitive, and was asking honest questions to you that's all.

[ChumpDumper]

So is he being deceitful?

If that is the reason, it's a possibility. I never said Obama was incapable of deceit. I don't know of a politician who is. Do you?

I'm just asking questions like you?

So answer that one.

I didn't say i knew Obama believes in hate ideology, i just raised the question. Asking a question is not an attack according to Cry Havoc you know.

Plus..
I was just being inquisitive, and was asking honest questions to you that's all.

I told you what I believe.

Do you think Obama is a strong believer in what you characterize as a "hate theology"?

[Ignignokt]

If that is the reason, it's a possibility. I never said Obama was incapable of deceit. I don't know of a politician who is. Do you?

Obama = Fox News. Thanx!

Do you think Obama is a strong believer in what you characterize as a "hate theology"?

Uh uh? I asked that question?

[clambake]

i see what you mean.

how do you guys make it through the day?

[ChumpDumper]

Obama = Fox News. Thanx!

So you agree that Fox News is deceitful? Thanks!

Uh uh? I asked that question?

I'm asking you that question.

[Ignignokt]

i see what you mean.

how do you guys make it through the day?

For greater is He who is with us, than he who is in the world... Glad i could help.

I'm praying for your defunct adult diaper.

You're in my prayers clammy.

[Phenomanul]

omg phen, now you don't sound crazy at all.

wanna pray?

omg clambake, now you don't sound intolerantly prejudiced any more...

wanna eat crow?

[Ignignokt]

So you agree that Fox News is deceitful? Thanks!

Unlike you, I've never said Fox news and Obama were.

[clambake]

do demons make you think about whats going on around my junk?