EXACTLY my point TJ very true, you can be a diehard fan but pls be realistic and true to yourself
a) Do you send your posts to SpursTalk as text messages from a standard sized phone?
b) are you a 12 year old with an education from a very underfunded public school? I mean, public school is fine, I went to public school. In fact, my public school was pretty crappy(as I found out when I got to college). When I was 12 my teacher might have forgotten to teach us what a run-on sentence was.
c) both a) and b)?
i dont know mr teacher you tell me
Well let's see, it proves that you've constantly seen Pop take underrated Spurs squads, overmatched Spurs squads, and everything in between and make them into winners, if not champions, by playoff time. You also know by now that regular season records and playoff positioning don't mean jack to Pop--that's never been his philosophy. The only difference this year is that we have so many "new" pieces added to this team. However, if you think Pop's going to change his coaching philosophy (especially this late in the career of his cornerstone player, Timmy Duncan), you are the delusional one.
It's ing ridiculous that here we just got through waxing the defending champs (no, I don't care that Kobe was injured), and we're a mere 1.5 games out of first in one of the toughest divisions in the league with a 4 time champion coach and people like you continually second guess Coach Pop.
Oh, and Spurs fan since '94, btw.
okey true that but saying what i see NOW is second guessing continually? im just stating what i see that his philosophy needs to be tweaked a lil ...and he just did by having a rookie in his starting line up so me being delusional is not too far off from pop maybe bending his rules some more for the team to move forward .....sometimes you have to roll with the constant changing of the game even bit by bit ...yeah in 94 all i see here in the philippines was Bulls games(never rooted for them) and before that i was a Larry Bird fan
Not saying you're continually second guessing, just some people in general. Maybe his philosophy needs to be tweaked--maybe it doesn't. You bring up a good point about Blair in the lineup, but despite the popular belief Pop doesn't hold his rooks back just for the fact that they're first year men (remember Duncan, and even Tony Parker later in his rookie campaign?).
Regardless, the one thing you can be sure of as a head coach in this league is that once you start shifting your core philosophies too much, start to go south. Quickly. Honestly, Pop is better off doing what he's been doing all these years mainly because it's worked well in the past. So let him tinker, and let him play with minutes and lineups--I assure you he'll have a plan he feels will maximize the team's potential by money time, but almost certainly not before the all star break. That's just not the way Pop does business.
Heh, that's rough in the philippines in 94. I would've been a Spurs fan sooner, but I was only 5 at the time :P At least I was living in SA though, so I had a leg up. Lived overseas in high school though--getting up at 2 AM to watch Spurs playoff games is rough lol.
i'm hoping you are right on that one about the plan after the break ...its couple more games then we will all find out ... im just a regular basketball fan that's giving my opinion out here im not a wannabe whos trying to be all knowing and above the game itself .... just stating my frustrations here on how i see things ....
i guess thats it for me see yall later after we beat the grizz then everyone wud get along for a lil bit
It's all good man, it's always like this for us Spurs fans this time of year--for as long as I can remember lol. True, we'll see how it goes after the break.
Take it easy man. Beat The Outta memphis!
yessir ... later man till the next time we exchange opinions hehe you have a good one ....
Originally Posted by Interrohater
Someone didn't step up their game.
OP, normally, a team takes on the personality of their floor leader, which just happens to be arguably the most stoic player to ever play the game. Showboating is low-class, so it's easy to see Pop's opinion of that, however, our players show emotion when the situation deems it necessary. I've always seen our players keep a lid on emotion until 4th quarter heroics are needed. They know it's a 48 minute game and an 82 game season, so why get worked up in the first half? We have a very emotional team, but I highly doubt they throw their pabst blue ribbon at the TV as you do.
Why can't you just make this the OP? What the does this have to do with your beloved, "fools gold"? Are you a really old person who used to be named Smeagle? Maybe I'm being insensitive and you have a seriously problem that I shouldn't poke fun at. Are you autistic with compulsions to use elementary metaphors to relieve stress?
Originally Posted by TJastal
LOL. If not for a lucky ping pong ball POOP wouldn't have even been a coach. He only "decided" to coach once he found out they won the grand prize lottery pick of the decade.
STFU
Yeah seriously, TJastal. You just claimed that in December 1996 Popovich fired Hill to be a coach because he just found out that he won the grand prize lottery pick of the decade when the lucky ping pong ball was pulled in May 1997? Nice job, way to raise the bar.
Originally Posted by EricB
Uh actually Avery Johnson Sean Elliott and David Robinson went to Pop and told him to fire Hill or they were gonna go public demanding his firing.
Learn your history kid.
Copy/paste the same thing? Well, allow me to use the same thing as well, USE THIS AS YOUR ORIGINAL POST. The fool's gold thing is 's gold as this point. Come on, you don't want to end up a "poor's man's SequSpur" do you?
DUDE, Finley hasn't even come back yet. What the are you doing wasting everyone's time arguing that Pop ed up a rotation THAT HASN'T EVEN HAPPENED YET??!?!!?!? This is so stupid. I mean, at least you're dropping the pyrite crap. God, you're so full of yourself. The Spurs lose a game and it's about how YOU are affected. You think they like losing? You think the players think Popovich is "Fool's Gold"? You think the players would laugh at you if you tried to spew this incoherent baby-talk about how the Spurs would win 82 games if only they didn't have FOOLS GOLD for a coach? Well, sorry, at least you dropped the FOOLS GOLD thing. But modulating into Michael Finley's role on the team is not any better. It may be worse since AGAIN, HE HASN'T EVEN PLAYED YET!
You wouldn't have made so many enemies if you just said,
"Hey this team looks really good on paper. At times they play with brilliance. I think the reason they are inconsistent and haven't won 32 games yet is because Gregg Popovich isn't using rotations that bring out their strengths."
Yeah we know you couldn't actually construct three coherent sentences but you also have the totally obnoxious element of "I'm totally right. I'm right. I know I'm right. I'm totally right. I'm a better coach than Gregg Popovich. I would say it to his face and take the team if I had the chance."
So we just think that you are the actual FOOL in this thread.
Oops, my bad. Yes, the FOOL'S GOLD metaphor is absolutely one of the most stupid rant in recent weeks. There are so many idiots on the board that their pants at a loss. Out of all the weirdos with emotional problems and disassociation with reality, this has the elements(no pun intended, not that you'd get it anyway) of a championship, re ed fail.
1) the catchy metaphor that is supposedly emphasizing your opinion of Gregg Popovich is lame. It doesn't make sense.
2) maybe in your head there's a decent idea but we'll never know because your writing is just as awful as your metaphor.
3) if your thought process is this messy then we can only guess the same goes for your knowledge of basketball
4) furthering an already bad metaphor by calling the team the real gold. you've ironically 'burned' yourself by exposing how stupid the original FOOLS GOLD-POPOVICH is. Do you ever know what the FOOLS GOLD means? Pop has been here since before Duncan. Pop's only losing season was during the 96-97 "Murphy's Law" season. Pop's had success with full rosters and with injured stars. Pop's always had a winning season whether it was with a cast of journeymen, lottery picks, late draft picks, free agents, undrafted players, past-their-prime veterans, past-past-their-prime veterans, offensively handicapped players, star vetarans, etc. This is not a losing season. Are we a losing team right now? How long were we sub .500? Are we going to be a losing team next week? Next month? End of the season? Are we going to make a deep playoff run? Are we going to be healthy? Are we going to win a championship? ....The first few questions are NO. So shove the FOOLS GOLD. The last few questions are answered by QUIT THIS FREAKING OUT AND EITHER SHUT UP OR GO BE A LAKERS FAN.
You better NOT EVER criticize a player on this message board. Seriously, don't even think of it. I'm sick of you idiots getting all high and mighty thinking you're special so we should deal with your crappy threads. You claim the team is gold and coach Pop is FOOLS GOLD, then DON'T EVER ING TRY TO BLAME A PLAYER FOR A LOSS!
Put your 'money' where your mouth is.
HAHAHA. probably when Parker got out of the really, really bad funk.
band. wagon.
Realistic? KenziE, how you can possibly claim that what you write represents reality? And what the does "be true to yourself" mean regarding SpursTalk, NBA basketball from a fan's perspective, and NBA basketball from a Spurs fan's perspective?
Popovich may not have known for sure the spurs were going to win the lottery of the decade but he had to have known there was a good chance they could land the top pick and player of the decade, Tim Duncan. And he knew he'd have Robinson back at the same time. So really.. same difference.
Spurs had the 3rd best chance of any team to win Tim Duncan in the lottery thanks to PoOP tanking the rest of that season, or thanks to his lousy coaching if you prefer that theory.
Thanks for correcting my "facts" but it doesn't change the fact that Popovich set himself into a GRAVY situation and coincidentally is leaving once the gravy train derails.
Again, please explain what you are being true to? And what are other members not being true to? Or HOW are they not being true to themselves?
And, voila, I finally found the reason for all this nonsense. You actually don't even know what "FOOL'S GOLD" means!
Look, there's two elements:
1) the object that looks like gold but isn't
2) the fool who was stupid enough to make up his mind before looking closer
incorrect: "A FOOL for a coach with a GOLDEN line up"
first of all, WHO is the fool for a coach? The fans? OH WAIT, is this the mysterious "true to yourself" workshop you've been holding? That would explain why you keep saying "be true to yourself" ...like "don't be a fool for Popovich". EXCEPT that is not what the term "FOOL'S GOLD" means. From this perspective it would be, "Fan is a FOOL for thinking his coach is GOLDEN, but he isn't. The coach looks like gold but when you look closer he really isn't." The lineup(this is how it's spelled, nimrod) has nothing to do with the FOOLISHNESS.
Correct(but still incorrect): "The coach is a FOOL for thinking his lineup(again, not "line up", numbskull) is GOLDEN because they are not true gold."
This metaphor also FAILS because you think the lineup is golden. The person becomes a fool for mistaking the iden y of an item. He believes something is gold by just by seeing it but should have looked closer to find the truth. Even through your unintelligible babble I can tell you don't think the roster(why don't you use this one, you can't really mess up the spelling unless you make it a )is
Here's how to properly use the term "fool's gold":
-----"KenziE is a total FOOL for thinking he has a GOLDEN theory about why the Spurs lost tonight, and that this loss means so much that we're doomed to have a terrible season therefore the only way to salvage the Tim Duncan era is to blame the coach by misusing the term 'fool's gold'.'"
Unfortunately tonight's loss is not to blamed on Coach Popovich. This one game is #38 of 82. There's no need to get all dramatic about welcome Armageddon. Kenzie also doesn't even know how to use the term "fool's gold."
----"KenziE is a total FOOL for thinking he is a GOLDEN Spurs fan who "knows about basketball" and the rest of the board will benefit from his knowledge."
KenziE actually just wasted our time with that nonsense. He really doesn't know what he's talking about so he's a fool for thinking that about himself.
U mad?
Nice blend of red, sandy brown, and orange in that post draft87. Now I"m hungry for a cheeseburger.
r u?
don't be stupid. san antonio isn't about swagger. go be a denver/dallas fan or something
P-jax? no. timmeh owes his success with being being able to communicate with pop so well.
LOL this is why your name is Duhoh I take it? This is the absolute dumbest thing I've ever read in this forum, bar-none. Congratulations, that was quite an accomplishment.P-jax? no. timmeh owes his success with being being able to communicate with pop so well.
No, I'm not the one ranting about being wrong.
FAIL. First of all, some fan you are, I guess you missed the interview Popovich gave where he mentioned that his retirement from coaching would be dependent on factors NOT relating to Tim Duncan's retirement.
What's next? Are you going to say that Phil Jackson is a stooge for setting himself up to leave when Michael Jordan left? And then try to talk your way out of Phil coaching through the first retirement and not wanting to coach after 1998.
Is that your thing? You think everybody sucks so they have to scheme their way into beneficial situations? Do you use Rohypnol on dates?
Oh yeah, and same difference, eh?
So the Spurs are the same franchise of the decade with Keith Van Horn or Chauncey Billups INSTEAD of Tim Duncan?
So what you're saying is that Gregg Popovich thought exactly this, "OK, I'm going to fire Bob Hill so that I can be the coach and manage how much we lose. I'm going to tank enough games so that I'll have the THIRD WORST RECORD in the league. This way I'll have a 21.60% chance to get the #1 pick. BOSTON WILL TANK TOO. SO THEY'LL HAVE TWO CHANCES IN THE LOTTERY(27.51% + 8.80%= 36.31% BUT I AM WILLING TO RISK THE FUTURE OF MY FRANCHISE ON THE CHANCE OF GETTING Keith Van Horn, Chauncey Billups, Antonio Daniels, Tony Battie, Ron Mercer, Tim Thomas, Adonal Foyle, Tracy McGrady, Danny Fortson, Tariq Abdul-Wahad, or Austin Croshere INSTEAD OF TIM DUNCAN! I'LL NEED THE EXACT 4 PING PONG BALLS OUT OF 14 TO MATCH ANY OF THE 216 #s I OWN OUT OF 1,000 BUT I DON'T CARE IF I'M RISKING THE CAREER OF MY AGING TEAM, OR THAT IF I GET STUCK WITH TIM THOMAS, I AM GOING TO RISK EVERYTHING CAUSE I KNOW I'M GETTING TIM DUNCAN. BOSTON HAS 363 COMBINATIONS BUT IT. I'M PULLING THE SLEAZIEST MOVE IN MANAGEMENT THAT AMATEURS IN 13 YEARS WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH.
Yes, same difference.
I'm not ranting I'm just clarifying a technical point that was raised. That point doesn't change my base theory that Pop more than likely wouldn't have gone into coaching if Tim Duncan wasn't set to be the #1 pick in the draft and the spurs in a prime position to snag him.
Oh please, of course he's gonna say that publically. He surely wouldn't want people to think otherwise now would he? Duh.
I'm not sure what your ranting about in the 2nd half your argument, how is tanking the year "risking the future of the franchise"?
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