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    the problem is that this team has too many inconsistent players. Manu, Hill, Mason, Dice, even Parker.

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    RJ is the problem here.

    I don't think anyone on the team has any confidence in him. People kinda get happy when he makes a good play, but I don't think Manu, Tony or Tim deep down really have any confidence in him. Their body language looks like well we got RJ, but I still have to do all the work because he stinks.
    There are quite a few problems on this team right now, yes RJ is one of them but is he the main issue? GTFOH!

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    Spurs players mentality = "that is ok, we win two and lose two, it is only January" And the rotations are still not set, seems like Pop is still guessing out there.

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    Jefferson will never be consistent. People are going to have to come to grips with that. Sorry, if anyone thought he was going to be the difference maker when Tony, Manu, or TD have a bad game. NOT going to happen.

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    The best thing that we can take away from this game is Pop finally realized that some of these guys need to be fresh so we need more play from the bigs. Sean in the post game talking about Blair at the SF spot and really going big. I know we all want that other impact big, but the most subtle trade that I think would help is another point guard to help keep down the turn overs and be insruance in case TP breaks. I'm not asking for an allstar, but with Hill better suited for the SG it seems sending someone like Finley would get the job done.

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    so much for turning the corner after the LAL & OKC games...
    Well, we did turn a corner... We went from winning two in a row ---> losing two in a row...

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    There are quite a few problems on this team right now, yes RJ is one of them but is he the main issue? GTFOH!
    RJ is the main problem because TP, TIm and Manu cano't count on him.

    His sole purpose was to help the big three when they are struggling. Has he done that? No.

    So how can you say he is not one of the main problems? I stand by what I said. He is one of the biggest problems on the team, not the only problem, but the biggest.

    All you people telling me that you can't expect that from RJ, then why did the Spurs trade for him? I guess they did no homework at all and screwed up by making the trade.

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    There's always Durant in 2012.

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    what I can say about tonight. Haislip looked like he began to relax a bit in the minutes he got. I considered his play an improvement from his previous garbage minutes. But nothing that makes me want to place him over RJ.

    Mahinmi looked pretty good on the defensive end. Got a bad call or two on him. Didn't have any great touches on the offensive end but I liked his effort there.

    Bogans showed a good game for us.

    Timmy was pretty solid all night till those last two big plays where we could have taken it. But I can live with that coming from what he has done all season.

    I liked George Hill tonight.

    Mason was money in the 4th, that last shot would be my only gripe with him but after those back to back shots he took I can live with that also.

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    RJ is the main problem because TP, TIm and Manu cano't count on him.

    His sole purpose was to help the big three when they are struggling. Has he done that? No.

    So how can you say he is not one of the main problems? I stand by what I said. He is one of the biggest problems on the team, not the only problem, but the biggest.

    All you people telling me that you can't expect that from RJ, then why did the Spurs trade for him? I guess they did no homework at all and screwed up by making the trade.
    I don't buy that. It isn't like Bowen was an offensive juggernaut.

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    I don't buy that. It isn't like Bowen was an offensive juggernaut.
    Richard gives us nothing on either end. I will take Bruce back right now over RJ.

    You tell me what RJ is here for then if you don't buy that? Tell me what you think the Spurs got him for if not for the reasons I just said.

    Did they get him because they felt he can't help the big 3, but they wanted to get a player that could cash a 14 million dollar paycheck.

    Please tell me what he is here for then.

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    I don't buy that. It isn't like Bowen was an offensive juggernaut.
    but bowen wasnt expected to be an offensive juggernaut. RJ was brought in to be the 4th option and so far he's just standing in the background. i dont know if he really fits here. hopefully im wrong.

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    This team fukkin sucks, they are so up and down this year it's rediculous. Another loss to a .500 team as well, this is getting old.

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    I think a true back Point would help a lot of issues with the line ups. Control the TOs a bit and allows you to move guys around in the 2/3 positions a lot better.

    Sending Finley or Mason and something else could make it work. I like Mason and wouldn't want to part with him

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    Is anyone on the coaching staff even telling RJ to drive to the rack and draw fouls? That is one thing I would really like to know.

    If I was coaching him I would rip him everytime he took a contested jumper and didn't try to drive to the rack to draw a foul. I would say that he should only take a jumper when he is open and his first priority on offense it to get the to rack and score or get free throws.

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    RJ is the main problem because TP, TIm and Manu cano't count on him.

    His sole purpose was to help the big three when they are struggling. Has he done that? No.

    So how can you say he is not one of the main problems? I stand by what I said. He is one of the biggest problems on the team, not the only problem, but the biggest.
    the Spurs are facing 3 issues bigger than RJ

    1. Rebounding: Teams are literally breaking the ing back of the Spurs with those 2nd chance opportunties.

    2. Perimeter Defense: Guards are getting into the paint with two dribbles, that's killing any Spurs big every time having to guard 3 players in the paint.

    3. Unforced Turnovers: I think we have lost about 6-8 games because of this HUGE problem.

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    The defense is the biggest problem. They are NOT an elite offensive team. Rj is a huge black hole. He's a tease because he'll play a couple of good game to make you start to believe in him, and then he disappears. But the more I watch manu, the more I see deterioration. His shot looks terrible, and he's constantly losing the ball when he drives. He almost looks sad out their.

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    the Spurs are facing 3 issues bigger than RJ

    1. Rebounding: Teams are literally breaking the ing back of the Spurs with those 2nd chance opportunties.

    2. Perimeter Defense: Guards are getting into the paint with two dribbles, that's killing any Spurs big every time having to guard 3 players in the paint.

    3. Unforced Turnovers: I think we have lost about 6-8 games because of this HUGE problem.
    LOL I agree with rebounding, but you've just listed 3 things RJ stinks at.

    1. For a player his size his rebounding is so poor it's not funny.

    2. Perimeter defense. RJ has been burned so much this season by any decent offensive player it's a wonder what Pop was thinking when he said he got RJ to guard the other teams best player.

    3. RJ throws sloppy passes and turnovers during games that make you think is this guy even serious out there. Where is his head at?

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    LOL I agree with rebounding, but you've just listed 3 things RJ stinks at.

    1. For a player his size his rebounding is so poor it's not funny.

    2. Perimeter defense. RJ has been burned so much this season by any decent offensive player it's a wonder what Pop was thinking when he said he got RJ to guard the other teams best player.

    3. RJ throws sloppy passes and turnovers during games that make you think is this guy even serious out there. Where is his head at?
    This applies to any Spurs guard out there, tell me I'm wrong

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    everybody needs to calm down, we're number four in the west. We have alot to work on but we showed heart to bad it took 3qtrs to get there. It could have gone different, but stuff happens.

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    duncan missed that chipped shot

    duncan turned the ball over down by 1

    we had our chances
    This.

    Bad play too. I liked going to the hot hand, which was Roger Mason, but what is with the rushed shot? We had 21 seconds. We didn't even have to go for a 3-pointer. We could have went for a quick 2. Either way, that was a bad shot. Fade away 3-pointer in the corner the second you get it from the inbound? Even though you had 21 seconds? Ugh, just a bad play.

    Either way, we didn't have Bonner, Finley or McDyess. So I guess that eases the pain, lol. I didn't watch the game though, but I watched the last five minutes, and I assumes because RJ wasn't playing, and people here are bashing, that he didn't play very well tonight. That's not good.

    Either way, good game. Glad we came back and made it a game, even though we were missing half our Frontcourt. Anyway, see ya next game, against the Hornets.

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    This applies to any Spurs guard out there, tell me I'm wrong
    George Hill, Keith Bogans, and lately TP is playing better defense than RJ. We now know that TP has Plantar Fasciitis so you can give him a slight pass for that.

    I said RJ in the main culprit and he is not giving us even half of what I expected. If you are happy with his production or don't think he should be giving us anymore then I don't know what to say.

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    George Hill, Keith Bogans, and lately TP is playing better defense than RJ. We now know that TP has Plantar Fasciitis so you can give him a slight pass for that.

    I said RJ in the main culprit and he is not giving us even half of what I expected. If you are happy with his production or don't think he should be giving us anymore great.
    Didn't I say before that he's part of the problem? Did you see what happened when we were down 1 point tonight? Tim committed an unforced turnover. Everyone right now is having issues with handling the ball. Our guards cannot contain their man or correctly funnel their players to the post.

    Thankfully the West is a complete mess with nobody dominating that the Spurs will have a lots of chances to correct these problems.

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    everybody needs to calm down, we're number four in the west. We have alot to work on but we showed heart to bad it took 3qtrs to get there. It could have gone different, but stuff happens.
    Yeah and how many games have they showed heart and done this and came back this year to a near win? They play when they want to it seems, otherwise they take quarters and half games off it seems. It is almost midseason, they need to get it together very soon.


    BTW they are 4 right now, but how many losses seperates the #8 from the #4? Not many, a few more losses they fall even further.

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    3. RJ throws sloppy passes and turnovers during games that make you think is this guy even serious out there. Where is his head at?
    big time.

    RJ might have the most mental lapses i've seen in a Spur starter in a long time. This season he has had so many turnovers and near-turnovers over stupid things like not paying attention during inbounds plays, during fast breaks, during simple offensive sets swinging the ball around . . . it's comical.

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