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    lol

    The people behind and in the fortune 500 company probably should enjoy the same cons utional protections as...uh...y'know..."private citizens."

    We have agreed that corporations don't exist without people right? And that every corporation has...uh...people. That people create and run corporations...and every corporation has to have people listed on the corporate charter? And that a corporation is not just some creation of a ...er, non-person? And that those people have just as much right to do what, people do...as much as, well..."normal" people not involved in a "corporation" do?

    We do have this much straight, right?
    Such a lazy and weak argument:


    People have rights.

    Corporations are formed, owned, and ran by people.

    Thus, corporations in and of themselves have rights.



    Any guess as to where the weakness of your argument is?

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    Yes...trade unions have just as much right as...well, corporations and all the rest of us. They're people too.

    You thinking I wouldn't agree with this? Is this what got you all excited?

    lol

    Yes, we are having fun...

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    Dude!!!

    I been saying that for years! Take the CEO's of the most "successful" business and corporations, put them in charge of the mess in DC.

    ...and we talking balanced budgets, cutting waste, decreased beaurocracies.

    "successful" US business is the key here.

    GM CEO's not allowed.

    Great Idea man!! Great minds and all that....


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    Yes...trade unions have just as much right as...well, corporations and all the rest of us. They're people too.

    You thinking I wouldn't agree with this? Is this what got you all excited?
    You're consistent in your block-headedness, I'll give you that.

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    Such a lazy and weak argument:


    People have rights.

    Corporations are formed, owned, and ran by people.

    Thus, corporations in and of themselves have rights.



    Any guess as to where the weakness of your argument is?

    LOL...any guess to where your logic is flawed?

    Corporations are not some non-peopled-en y.

    They don't exist without people.

    Since corporations don't exist without people, they can't have any rights without people. Because, y'know...they don't exist.

    So...ragging on corporations, is ragging on the people who chartered them, and/or work in them. Since corporations are people, those people have all the same rights as well....you.

    You are simply trying to seperate a Corporation from the people who create and work for it. Easier to make an "it" rather than a "them"... into baddies I guess.

    It's what they teach in public school anyway...lol

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    You're consistent in your block-headedness, I'll give you that.

    I dunno...I agreed that Union members are people with the same rights as...well, other people.

    What more do you want?

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    LOL...any guess to where your logic is flawed?

    Corporations are not some non-peopled-en y.

    They don't exist without people.
    Quite a few things would not exist without people. Do all of those have rights?



    Since corporations don't exist without people, they can't have any rights without people. Because, y'know...they don't exist.
    The significance you attach to the involvement of people as an argument for the transference of cons utional rights is truly stunning.

    So...ragging on corporations, is ragging on the people who chartered them, and/or work in them. Since corporations are people, those people have all the same rights as well....you.
    "Ragging"? The hallmark of a well-educated mind.


    You are simply trying to seperate a Corporation from the people who create and work for it. Easier to make an "it" rather than a "them"... into baddies I guess.

    It's what they teach in public school anyway...lol

    Clearly you are a top graduate.

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    Then again, I didn't attend the Limbaugh School of Cons utional Studies.

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    @SF:Incoherent.

    You're blurring the difference between the class and the member of the class. Since the class in this case is a chartered creature of the state, and not, say, of the US Cons ution (unlike the US citizens who are members of that class), the government may limit it as it so chooses, without impinging the individual rights of the member of the class.

    Regulating corporations re: elections does not significantly hinder the ability of individuals to combine to lobby or to seek a redress of grievances outside the confines of the corporation itself.

    E.g., what is a trade association?
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    Or, governments are made up of people. Thus, governments have Bill of Rights protections.

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    @SF:Incoherent.

    You're blurring the difference between the class and the member of the class. Since the class in this case is a chartered creature of the state, and not, say, of the US Cons ution (unlike the US citizens who are members of that class), the government may limit it as it so chooses, without impinging the individual rights of the member of the class.

    Regulating corporations re: elections does not significantly hinder the ability of individuals to combine to lobby or to seek a redress of grievances outside the confines of the corporation itself.

    You don't think limiting what a "corporation" can and cannot do, is not limiting the people in it?

    Regulating corporations is regulating people.

    "This corp cannot do x."

    The people cannot do x...unless they leave the corporation to do it.

    Your not regulating some invisible en y...your regulating the people behind the "corporation." Corporations do not do anything without people...so you HAVE to regulate people when regulating a corporation.

    Why regulate something that does nothing without people. Your regulating people.

    "corporations can't vote"

    Corporations don't vote...people do.

    "corporations can't run ads"

    Corporations don't run ads...the people inside the corporations do.

    Of course your regulating people when you regulate corporations.

    Are we still having fun??

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    What is a trade association?

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    Or, governments are made up of people. Thus, governments have Bill of Rights protections.
    Govts have bill of rights protections...for the PEOPLE living in that govt.

    what is so hard to understand here?

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    What is a trade association?
    As association of traders? lol

    What do you want it to be? An association of tradesman?

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    (SF subs utes sheer repi ion for argumentation, hoping to outlast his critics.)

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    But bidness is good and bidnesses are made up of people who have rights and since rights are a good thing...then bidnesses have rights. And if you disagree with me you are a commie who went to a public school, which, oddly enough were spread across this nation in no small part to create good little big bidness worshiping lackeys like 'SouthernFried'.

    Not to mention that moniker is amusing as the southern tradition of Jeffersonian agrarian conservatism was quite hostile to big bidness.

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    As association of traders? lol

    What do you want it to be? An association of tradesman?
    It's a business lobby. Proof and practice that corporations are not hamstrung by limitations on electoral giving.

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    Govts have bill of rights protections...for the PEOPLE living in that govt.

    what is so hard to understand here?
    Way to backpedal there. The government itself is an individual, for as you have told us all it takes is having people involved to make an organization an individual with rights.

    Don't back down, pussy.

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    It's a good way to kick up more dust.

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    It's a business lobby. Proof and practice that corporations are not hamstrung by limitations on electoral giving.
    Ok...that's nice. Good even. No reason to have stupid limitations then, right?

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    Yeah. Just let them have the whole store. Good idea.

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    Way to backpedal there. The government itself is an individual, for as you have told us all it takes is having people involved to make an organization an individual with rights.

    Don't back down, pussy.
    lol...I love you too man.

    Our Government is made of people...not one individual. And your point?

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    LOL...any guess to where your logic is flawed?

    Corporations are not some non-peopled-en y.

    They don't exist without people.

    Since corporations don't exist without people, they can't have any rights without people. Because, y'know...they don't exist.

    So...ragging on corporations, is ragging on the people who chartered them, and/or work in them. Since corporations are people, those people have all the same rights as well....you.

    You are simply trying to seperate a Corporation from the people who create and work for it. Easier to make an "it" rather than a "them"... into baddies I guess.

    It's what they teach in public school anyway...lol
    Also corporations are considered a citizen in the laws eyes, and SCOTUS has held that precedent, like how spending money is considered a 1st Amendment protected right.

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    More proof of who really runs the ing country.

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    Yeah. Just let them have the whole store. Good idea.
    Oh, your scared of business and the people within it?

    Why didn't you just come out and say it.

    It's stupid...but, that's ok. Now I understand where your coming from.

    I'm a businessman.

    boo

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