Ahhh...makes more sense now.
I thought the trade was Bass for Blair......
I could totally see Van Gundy / Otis Smith doing this to save some $$$ on a player who is getting paid 4 mil a year and not seeing more than a handful of minutes every 5th game.
Not only that, the fact that they would be helping the spurs match up a little better against the lakers would be a bonus to them, as I'm fairly certain they have no love for Kobe & co.
Yah, Van Gundy loves his 3 pt shooters and seems to have designed his whole game plan around that strategy.. Bonner makes sense for him to have in that regard.Ahhh...makes more sense now.
I thought the trade was Bass for Blair......
Bruno can give the more accurate answer, but I try.
if I checked right, the suspension of Arenas will be for 50 games overall. this means he looses 9.8 million of his 16.1 million salary. 50% (4.9M) of this number will be removed from the 78.7 M payroll, so finally the Wizards will be about 3.9M over the threshold. to dump this number doesn't seem impossible and I'm pretty sure this will be their priority till deadline. first they will try to get a TE and likely offer some nice teaser. first they will put Fab on the market (likely add his remaining salary as the teaser, maybe a 2nd rounder as well)). about 10 teams have a TE good enough for this. one will bite.
next step might be a bigger trade, that brings back less salary. minus 2 million is realistic. (for example Jamison plus Crittenton plus Mcguire for Z would work and put them under the threshold) whever offers them such a deal, will get the price IMO.
(a package of Haywood, Blatche and McGuire for Mason, Bonner and Ratliff would work either to put them under the threshold btw., if there are only 2 million to dump after a Fab for TE trade)
You just had to throw McGuire in there (my James Jones, so to speak).
The problem I have from a basketball standpoint is, who's going to space the floor and knock down a three consistently? Could Manu, Hill, Jefferson and the carcass of Finley get done what the team in '04 couldn't (a team comprised of scorers more than dead-eyes on the perimeter)?
Is there a feasible way to address such an issue if this trade came to fruition?
i'd love to swap richard jefferson for maggette and raja bell...
youre welcomeYou just had to throw McGuire in there (my James Jones, so to speak
The problem I have from a basketball standpoint is, who's going to space the floor and knock down a three consistently? Could Manu, Hill, Jefferson and the carcass of Finley get done what the team in '04 couldn't (a team comprised of scorers more than dead-eyes on the perimeter)?
Is there a feasible way to address such an issue if this trade came to fruition?
but I can't answer your concerns. yes, the team would lack shooters.
I'm to tired (it 0:30 here) to work out a trade that brings in Mike Miller either.
(well THAT's something I would love. but then we don't have the contracts left for a move like Haywood)
however, the question was, what will be the effect of the Arenas suspension and I think the answer is, that the Wizards will look even harder for short term dump trades, because now they can see the light at the end of the tunnel.
One of the better options available.i'd love to swap richard jefferson for maggette and raja bell...
I'll let mountainballer's words do it justice, though:
RJ+Fin+Ian+Haislip+ (1st rounder 2011 if needed)
for
Maggette+Randolph+Bell
why do the Warriors bite?
they save money long term, but the major point is, that RJ's contract expires 2011, then they would become a major player in the 2011 free agency.
RJ should give them similar production like Maggette till then.
the class of 2011 isn't as shining as 2010, but there will still be some interesting options (Amare, Yao, David West, maybe Melo, AK47, ), especially when considering also the RFAs. (Noah, Horford, Oden, ). 2010 and 2011 they will get lottery picks, maybe 2010 even a top 3. 2011 they will know the missing pieces and this trade will give them the flexibility to react.
why do the Spurs bite?
they save money short term, almost 5 million in taxes and salary this season plus 6 million next season,if they are still tax payer 2011. (if they re sign Manu they will be)
11 million, that's what Maggette would get in 2012-13. overall this would make the whole deal a wash financially for the Spurs.
Randolph is a top talent with star potential. Spurs usually don't get the chance to get such players. no need to talk about the upside.
(btw. I would still do the deal, if Randolph is not included)
and Bell could become a nice plus, if he in fact is back in March as reported. yes, it would only be about 20 games to work him into the rotation and into shape, but I do think he would be able to provide more help than Finley. if not, Spurs didn't lose much.
Utah's play-by-play announcer has a radio show, and he was saying that the Jazz front office were discussing an offer for Haywood in exchange for their 6 million $ TE from Matt Harpring's contract..interesting..
They have Okur/Boozer/Millsap, which are 3 starting quality bigs. WTF they need a 4th for?
RJs contract (if he doesn't progress) will be a huge bargaining chip this time next year (15 mil expiring contract) and could attract a player of the superstar caliber from a team in financial trouble.i'd love to swap richard jefferson for maggette and raja bell...
Jefferson for Maggette and Bell is a good one. If the Spurs could do that and then turn around and trade expiring contracts and a 1st round pick (it might take Splitter, as well) to acquire Camby or Haywood, that would theoretically vault them back into contender status. Possible roster...
Starters: PF- Duncan, SF- Maggette, C- Camby, SG- Bell, PG- Parker
Bench: SG- Ginobili, PF- McDyess, PG/SG- Hill, PF- Blair, SG/SF- Finley, C- Ratliff, SG- Bogans
Inactive: SG/SF- Hairston
I'm assuming Finley, if dealt, is bought out and re-signs for the remainder of the season. The team would need a third PG for depth purposes (Daniels possibly? I know he was done last year and hasn't played this year, but there's not a lot to choose from).
Wow thats it? I think the Spurs could come up with a better offer than that for Haywood..
IMO there won't be any significant trade
Just get us a big, any big that Pop will trust to play and kill this small ball crap. That alone will allow the smalls to get back to playing their natural game. I would even be moe than happy to welcome Oberto back.
I've been thinking about that, why wouldn't a team like the 76ers trade iggy for Jefferson when his contract ends in 2011 and iggy is locked down for five years? Especially if we throw in some draft picks to help them rebuild? I understand they want to get rid of dalambert too but at this point it doesn't look like there's any buyers.Oh what's do you guys think of a finley for Ronnie brewer trade to shore up our defense and give the jazz some cap relief?
Brand shows some flashes, but he has arguably the worst contract in the NBA..no thanks..
With Arenas and Crittenton suspended for the year, Wizards will be $4.8M over the threshold.
They will surely trade Jamison and goes closer to the threshold but if it isn't enough Spurs could easily allow them to lower their payroll by $2M or $3M in a Haywood trade. There could have a nice trade opportunity with Wizards for Spurs.
Nice opportunity indeed..
Assuming Jamison gets traded to the Cavs, which has been the strong rumor for a while(Big Z + Hickson), how much do you think that would affect their willingness to move Haywood?..
Also, under your scenario after the Arenas/Crittenton situations, do you think the Spurs would still most likely have to take Blatche back in a trade for Haywood?..
This year the bonus for being under the tax will be around $4M. All in all, Wizards will save about $11M if they go jsut under the tax ($5M in luxury tax + $4M in bonus + $2M in remaining salary).
A Jamison for Big Z and Hickson trade will raise Wizards payroll by $1.3M. I doubt a Jamison to Cavs trade will be that one.
I don't think a Jamison trade will be enough to put them below the tax. There will need also to move Butler or Haywood.
Wizards wanting or no that other teams take Blatche isn't really related on thier luxury tax situation but more on what they value the most between his talent and his bad at ude.
Well, Wizards are now in rebuilding mode and keeping a 33 years old player with a big contract doesn't really make sense in that situation.
the fascinating thing about the Wizards is, that there are really a lot of scenarios that could somehow bring in a useful piece in a trade with them. a shame that a team with such a deep and talented roster can ever do that bad.
another one?
Jamison plus Haywood for Jefferson plus the 2010 1st rounder.
yes, looks a bit weired on first sight (and it's not my favorite trade proposal with them) but there are some aspects. they dump 3.4 million immediately and they save the last year of Jamison's contract. they will become a major player in the 2011 free agency.
I don't want to claim they can't find a better deal. but who knows.
Spurs? they take another huge salary back. on the other hand, they bring in a lot of talent and size for a player, who just doesn't fit. they could suddenly go from small ball to giant ball with Tim, Haywood and Jamison on the floor and that way match a Gasol, Bynum, Odom line up.
Jamison is not young, but at 33 he is still producing big numbers and doesn't have a problem to play huge minutes. should be able to deliver next season either.
and his last year, well it might be useful to have a big expiring contract at that time.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=ykh2zgn
would spurs/raps do this?
Some trade-related tidbits from Marc Stein here:
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...-trade-chatter
Nothing that relates directly to the Spurs, but a few that could relate indirectly.
"The Blazers have indeed registered their interest in Washington center Brendan Haywood, given Haywood’s obvious appeal as a short-term replacement – with an expiring $6 million contract – for the fallen Greg Oden and Joel Przybilla.
But one source close to the situation said that the talks didn’t go far when the Wiz indicated that they’d want both Rudy Fernandez and Nicolas Batum headlining the return package for Haywood, who’s averaging 9.8 points, 10.6 rebounds and 2.1 blocks. "
(If the Wizards wanted Fernandez and Batum for Haywood, not sure who they would want from the Spurs, nor whether San Antonio would be willing to pay that high cost.)
"It’s no secret that the Bulls want to clear as much salary-cap space as they can for this summer’s free-agent bonanza, which is why you’re hearing more and more about their willingness to move Kirk Hinrich and John Salmons as covered here last week."
(Notable since a lot of people here were advocating Salmons and/or Thomas.)
"Another recent topic discussed in this cyberspace: Philadelphia's attempts to interest Cleveland in a deal for Andre Iguodala.
....
Iguodala, though, is difficult for Philly to move because of all that money he’s still owed. Not as difficult as moving Elton Brand or Samuel Dalembert, but all of the teams that like Iguodala – Houston, Dallas and Cleveland are known to have shown varying degrees of interest – have reservations about taking on a deal that big. "
(Only notable because a couple people, including Phila_Chamberlain, have mentioned trades involving Iggy. Honestly, I didn't feel there was much chance that Philly would seriously want to move him; I'll certainly admit that I was wrong in that regard. Still, I think a trade involving Iggy to the Spurs is still less likely than most.)
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