I'm afraid I've already conceded the Spurs not winning this year (hope I'm wrong, but I don't see the Spurs winning a Championship having to play on the road for all but a round of the playoffs; assuming they're in them), so I'm looking at this as a two-year window. You obviously can't just throw away the year when you've got Tim playing the way he is, so I'm not suggesting tanking, but I don't think trying to fit a square peg, RJ, in a round hole is the answer either.
If given only the choice of RJ or Rip over the next two years (I'm not sold on this being the best or a must-do scenario), I'd like my chances better with Hamilton and whomever I could find or promote from within to be my defensive 3.
I think you'd get a better fit and talent distribution that way.
Hey Bruno, I highly respect your opinion on this site. just wondering how A trade like Bonner + Finley + Mahinmi + Ratliff + 1st round pick for Camby + Skinner is a quite good one for both sides. Is the 1st round pick what would be most appealing or can Finley or Bonner be bought out so Clippers can save money?
Any team that acquires him has to face the risk that he won't re-sign with them though..it's obviously a possibility..the team that trades for him will probably have the better shot at retaining him next season and beyond, but it's obviously still a risk..
So I would classify that as a potential rental player..definitely not something I would give up both Batum and Fernandez for..
Finley, Bonner, Mahinmi and Ratliff are expiring contracts, the carrot would be the first-rounder and Mahinmi (more so the first-rounder, though).
Also, that combination of players would save the Clippers roughly $1 mil for the rest of the year.
It's mainly the first round pick that would attract Clippers. It would be a similar trade to the Kurt Thomas trade Spurs made with Seattle.
Camby would be a great addition but w/ knowing the Spurs almost got him last yr at the deadline for bowen fab and george hill, I think the Clippers would want Hill to be included in any upcoming deal. I can't see the Spurs parting w/ GHill especially w/ Parker's injury issues.
Camby is 35 years old and injury prone. Trading away half the bench for this guy would be a risky move. If he went down (or McDyess/etc) what would the spurs do? They would be screwed.
I don't like that deal at all.
Parker and picks for Bosh...
Do it RC.
Can timvp or Kori do the automated system they do when somebody mispells Elliott, except for when anybody mentions Bosh here?
Of the proposed players, only Bonner can be thought of as having a significant role when healthy and according to one GM, this could be one of the greatest buyout seasons ever.
Nothing too sexy out there but players sent for Camby could possibly come back; former Spurs Nesterovic, Thomas and Oberto are among a few that could potentially be bought out as well (I know that has the masses salivating).• Buyouts. "This might be one of the greatest buyout seasons ever,"
another GM said. "Think about your savings: You have a $10 million player, and you save $800,000 by buying him out so he can go play for a contender. That $800,000 is going to mean a lot to teams these days, especially if you're paying a luxury tax on that guy."
They'd have to make it happen when Bosh and Manu were used within proximity of a couple of words, or something to that effect..
I'd support it.
Kevin Martin has started rounding into shape (two 30+ point games in a row), but the Kings are still losing. I'm willing to bet that the Kings will make Kevin Martin available before the deadline to see if they can get a nice young piece and more importantly, immediate cap space.
Spurs could work one of two deals:
Spurs trade Ginobili and Mahinmi or 1st rd pick for Martin
Spurs trade Ginobili, Bonner, Finley and Mahinmi or 1st rd pick for Martin, Nocioni and fillers (Rodriguez/Brockman/Greene)
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Obviously the Spurs would prefer option #1, not having to take on the additional salary of Nocioni...but it may be necessary to do if they're not willing to give up better young talent (Hill or Blair).
The Kings' main motivation for this move would be to put them in a position to be MAJOR players in what promises to be one of the best FA summers ever. They'd have the space to go after a difference-making big man like Stoudamire, Bosh or Boozer and possibly enough (under scenario 2) to make a big offer to someone like Rudy Gay. Oh, and they'd also have the inside track (bird-rights) to sign Ginobili if they so chose to do so.
In short, the Kings could basically remake their team this summer around Evans/Casspi and the immense talent available this off-season.
For the Spurs the motivation is simple...when healthy, Martin is one of the best pure scorers in the league. He's young-but-proven and is under contract through his prime. Obviously the biggest risk is with his injury history, but the Spurs would assume the same thing with Ginobili going forward if they chose to re-sign him...and he's on the wrong side of 30 too.
Makes sense to me...anyone else on board?
We need better defense, not offense.I wouldn't mind a guy like Martin, but he ain't going to solve our weak defense inside or on the perimeter. If I wanted to take a gamble, I would give Raja Bell a shot and see if he can be what Bogans looked like he was going to be, but failed to deliver...
I hear what you're saying, but I was trying to live up to the OPs thread le...namely the "big" part. While Bell and guys like Camby, Haywood and Dalembert are nice pieces, I'm just not sure they fill the "big" requirement.
Martin, on the other hand, is a swing-for-the-fences type of acquisition that considers the present and future.
Martin makes sense, though the Kings would likely want more than Manu and Mahinmi or a first rounder. At the very least, it'd probably cost Manu, Splitter, Mahinmi and/or a first.
Would I pull the trigger? That'd be a tough one to turn down. Getting a 26-year-old guard who can score 20 points in his sleep without taking a lot of shots doesn't happen everyday. It probably hurts the championship odds this year but could possibly extend the window.
Honestly I wouldnt even trade Manu straight up for Martin...much less add Mahinmi, Splitter's rights, and picks. He's an explosive scorer but not much else and we've witnessed how well scorers adjust to our team with RJ.
I don't want Martin, but he's a much more versatile scorer than RJ..he can create his own shot consistently, he gets to the line as well as anybody in the NBA, AND he can shoot the J better than RJ..
Jefferson's problem isn't that he's just a scorer, it's that his type of scoring doesn't necessarily fit as well here..
I think his poor play has made some people forget RJ's game, dude is capable of more he just hasnt fit in/been implemented correctly for whatever reason. If Im not mistaken RJ once led the league in FTA...and his last two years he attempted around 550 and 650 FTs respectively. So he has always been more than capable of driving and creating his own shot. And while I wont argue that Martin is the better scorer, I do think he would be turned into a glorified jumpshooter like RJ has been.
Is Martin a good spot up shooter? Can he score without having the ball in his hands?
A lot of us thought the Spurs would change their offense a bit now that TD and Manu are declining, in order to integrate a guy like RJ in, but none of that happened. What makes you think it would be any different with a guy like Martin?
Might not be a bad trade. Even if Manu gets his shooting touch back we'd still be getting a younger guard who can really score and isn't on the wrong side of 30. Besides I don't think Manu's going to come back next year so it might be good to get something for him now.
Sounds about right...
The Kings supposedly turned down an offer from the Mavs for Martin and Nocioni that had Josh Howard, Drew Gooden (expiring) and JJ Barea.
While my Spurs bias would have me believe that the Kings would be more interested in Ginobili (consider signing long-term) than Howard, I agree that it might take something like Splitter's rights to get it done.
That'd be a tough pill to swallow, but it defintely would merit consideration.
Are you really surprised, it came from Hoopsworld...
Martin's main appeal is that he can score from anywhere in anyway. He's a crafty player that works both on and off the ball to get his shot off...and he converts or gets to the foul line alot.
RJ was able to get to the foul line just as much as K-Mart before he came to San Antonio. Always shot a high percentage from the field and been around 35% from three. I could see Martin being slightly more succesful because he has a better shot but I would expect the rest of his game to drop off just like RJ, he would turn into a glorified shooter.
There is no appeal there. Especially if it means losing our best playmaker.
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