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The biggest trade I see happening involves trading some of our roleplayers for new ones. Bogans, Mason, and Ian being the most likely candidates especially if there's a legitimate perimeter defender/3-point specialist around.
Getting a guy like Kevin Martin for Ginobili also has the benefit of avoiding a situation with Manu this summer.
Let me explain...
Because the Spurs are over the cap and can only sign a player for up to the MLE, and because losing a player like Ginobili decreases the chances that the Spurs can legitimately contend, he'll have all the bargaining power in negotiations.
That means Manu could essentially hold the Spurs hostage this summer and the end result is likely to be unfavorable anyway you look at it...Spurs end up overpaying/signing for too many years or Spurs lose "contender" status because Manu walks.
With that in mind, I'd also consider trading Ginobili for Iguadola or either of Jamison/Butler.
Last edited by AFBlue; 02-01-2010 at 02:31 AM.
The biggest trade I see happening involves trading some of our roleplayers for new ones. Bogans, Mason, and Ian being the most likely candidates especially if there's a legitimate perimeter defender/3-point specialist around.
RJ is an athletic slasher who has extended his shooting range over the past few years...but he's not a great shooter.
Martin is an all-around scorer that can really shoot the basketball. He can iso, catch-and-shoot or drive and finish. He's just a much better all-around offensive player.
And while I don't deny that it would hurt the Spurs to lose Ginobili's playmaking, they still have two all-star calibur playmakers in Parker and Duncan.
Last edited by AFBlue; 02-01-2010 at 02:32 AM.
I saw Kevin Martin play recently in person and all I can say is the guy is a skinny little twig who doesn't do anything more than shoot 3's. I'd much rather have Tyreke Evans.
I have to back FkLa here, there is no way I'd give up Manu for this skinny little twerp much less the Mahinmi, Splitter and picks.
Martin obviously isn't on the block, right?
(just because the Mavs inquired about his availability doesn't mean he is)
and 10 posts from you that start to sound almost as if the Kings had offered him to the Spurs don't change this either.
ever thought that there was a reason why they drafted Evans? look at it and you see that Evans is exactly the player you want alongside a player like Martin in the back court, if you want to balance his flaws.
they were able to play just about a dozen games together this season. why should the Kings blow what might become one of the best back courts in the league before they even had the chance to see what they could do together? they are maybe not the smartest franchise in the league, but they are not completely idiots.
btw. Manu bird rights....
ever heard about cap hold? Manu's rights cost 16 million in cap space for 2010. if they want to become a player in the free agency they of course have to renounce his rights. if their main motivation to dump Martin is to become a free agency player, why counteract this by keep Manu's rights? again, they are not super smart, but this would be an absolutely insane scenario.
and don't always come up with the 2010 free agency myth. there are likely some super stars available and there are for sure some teams with enough cap space to bid for them.
Sacramento isn't exactly the team and place this guys would choose when NY, Miami and Chicago are calling as well.
martin is good when healthy, which he has barely been the last few years. guy plays average defense at best, injury prone, but can score. it's clear ginobili can no longer fulfill the role of being the third big three. it would be refreshing to see a parker/martin backcourt instead of watching ginobili clank his shots.
martin doesn't solve the spurs' defensive woes though so it'll be a scary thought when the spurs have to go against melo or kobe.
Kevin Martin runs off screens to get himself open. He can shoot threes very well, get to the line a lot for a guy who is known as a jumpshooter but is just a scorer mainly. Isn't known for his defense and is mostly injured. He is one of the most efficient scorers in the league. Doesn't take to many shots to light up the scoreboard. I am not sure about what to think about this guy, he doesn't fit well with Tyreke Evans so far, does nothing but score, although at an elite level.
His TS% this season is 55.3%, well below his average since he averaged 20 points in the league.
In his last 3 seasons,
2006-2007: 20.2 points on 61.4% TS%, gets to the free throw line 7.1 times (incredible). He played 80 games that season. 20.1 PER.
2007-2008: 23.7 points on 61.8% TS%, gets to the free throw line 9.5 times (WTF). He only played 61 games. 21.0 PER.
2008-2009: 24.6 points on 60.1% TS%, gets to the free throw line 10.3 times (Impossible, do the superstars even go to the line that much.) He only played 51 games. 19.2 PER. Worst record in the league.
Conclusion: Other than him, no one else on the Kings can score in 2008-2009 season, he carries the load and manages to be so efficient. However, he does not show much on defense and people call him a loser because he is stuck on a bad team. Still can't get a good read on him. His downside is injuries. Positive impact: Gets the calls he wants with his flops or whatever you call it, shoots a lot at the line and converts at a 86% rate or so.
On the trading block: The Kings may want to move past the ailure of the Kevin Martin era. After Martin's prime, Tyreke Evans, Jason Thompson, Spencer Hawes, Omri Casspi, would only then reach their prime, by then, Kevin Martin would be on the decline. Trade talks surrounding Martin include the Mavs. I could also very well see him in a Cavs uniform. He would fit damn well beside LeBron.
Last edited by Chieflion; 02-01-2010 at 09:45 AM.
I'm surprised so many of hoping the Spurs get another scorer. All I'm hoping for is someone that can actually play a lick of defense, preferrably the paint. , getting back Nesterovic, Oberto or Kurt Thomas would have me jumping up and down.
A player who could be interesting to trade for is Biedrins. He is in Nellie's doghouse and Warriors could be interested to dump him because they try to sell the team. His contract is very long but he has a reasonable salary.
makes sense because in general teams try to dump as much contracts as possible before they sell.
on the other hand, if the buyer is in fact Larry Ellison (who once again stated he wants to buy the Warriors 4 days ago: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4864390 ) I assume that a guy, who's capital currently is estimated 2 to 3 times as much as Paul Allen's and who would become the by far richest owner in the NBA, might be more interested in a compe ive team. and therefore to sacrifice a 23 years old 7 footer, who was in all-star consideration just one year ago, might not be a move in the upgrade direction. not unless it brings in someone like Amare.
The bobcats are in a logjam in bigmen..could we make a trade for one of their big..Nazr Mohammed or Diop? We dont need offense from either, just defense. Nazr knows the Spurs system.
Bonner for Amare
Ric Bucher said few days ago that Warriors are looking to dump salaries:
http://twitter.com/RicBucher/status/8255947316
If I was the Warriors GM, I wouldn't trade Biedrins and I would build a team around Warriors young core (Ellis, Biedrins, Curry, Wright, Randolph).
Now, it's a strange franchise with a GM who is said to be Nellie's puppet. Since it looks like Nellie doesn't like Biedrins, I guess there is a good chance they trade him.
Wow, heard about the Wizards blowing up the team and the Tmac for Butler + Haywood? Now way in the , the in' Rockets get this trade! We better get a hold on Haywood!!
How is Caron Butler playing this year?
time to get maggette and bell for richardson. improve the scoring and defense. take our best shot this year and then pray for Splitter next year.
Ellis is a pipe dream and if the spurs want to trade for any big man of consequence, they better be willing to deal tony.
richardson=Jefferson?
He wants to trade RJs son. Wait a minute. He doesn't have a son, or does he?
I dunno about having a son but he surely gots Man
calling him Daddy! Lol
McDyess/Mason Jr. for Ray Allen.
or Finely/Mason Jr. Bonner for Ray
first one makes the most sense, as the contracts match better. maybe throw in some draft picks. idk. point is, contracts, plus mason(allen replacement) for ray
yeah, jefferson...sorry bout dat.
That would make me shut off the TV set for years to come. RJs value remains as an expiring contract for next year. You trade now for a Ray Allen when you might get a Jefferson (Min) or other young stud that won't resign due to a team's financial collapse, next year.
Does anyone actually see the Spurs FO moving either Manu or TP? I don't. I can see them grasping to hang onto them with the hopes that they can make a small move to help their chances. Because I believe (with no real reason to point to) that the Spurs FO believes they have enough as is even if they cannot swing a deal for some help only using expiring contracts (Bonner, Finley, Mason...).
I think the FO will stand pat until some team gets desperate near the deadline to dump some contracts for expirings, and only at that point the Spurs will see if they can snipe a good deal...
Not sure how I pissed you off, but your tone is awfully condescending and argumentative.
I didn't write the trade proposal thinking it was a foregone conclusion or that the Spurs would make that deal...and for the record, my follow-up posts were about Martin's ability, not reaffirming my original post about the proposal itself. I saw some articles that questioned the chemistry between Martin and Evans, saw that they were still losing and suggested that they might make him available if both factors remained unchanged.
As for the bird rights, I didn't realize that extending them to Manu puts a $16M cap-hold on the Kings FO as they negotiate deals for other FAs. My bad...but again, no need to be condescending.
Finally, I'm not sure why I can't use free agency this summer as a reason they'd be willing to deal. They're already going to have enough cap space to sign one player, and IF (not saying it's inevitable) they deem the Evans/Martin isn't going to work, they'd have enough cap space to go after another player they think would work with him.
Not sure if you were just having a bad day or what, but hopefully the next time you respond it doesn't come off the way your last post did.
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