<Insert Big Trade Proposal Here>

[Zarko's Ghost]

This is not a big or sexy trade, but I think it could help the spurs.

Spurs get Raja Bell and Ronny Turiaf

Golden State gets Mason OR Finley, Bonner, Ian, and a draft pick (and Theo if his money is needed to make deal work).

Give up offense for defense without cutting into core or taking on too much long term money. Low risk and potentially good return.

[024]

butler is too much like rj for me to want him on the spurs. having both of them would be redundant. iguodala is a great two way player the spurs need. he'll come in to score and defend on the other end. unlike jefferson, iguodala is a proven defender.

also, the sixers are most likely dangling iguodala in order to get rid of dalembert's contract as well. they won't want to deal iguodala by himself so the spurs will have to take back dalembert's contract to get the good player. dalembert is servicable though, he gets rebounds and blocks but i don't think he's a good low post defender. still, he would be better than mcdyess (currently) and the seldom seen but needed ratliff.

[FatBeaner]

championship!

[dbestpro]

I actually like this except Arenas is suspended for the year.

[Bruno]

BTW, am I The only one who fear that Manu is traded at the deadline?

I thought that keeping Manu was a no-brainer for Spurs but I'm now not that sure about that. Between the Stoudamire rumor, Manu talking a lot about his future FA status, Manu not playing well, it starts to make a lot of negative signs. I would hate to see Manu being traded but I'm starting to be ready at that idea.

[Brazil]

championship!

Arenas in a spurs jersey ? are you crazy ? it could happen if Pop quits or retires

[024]

BTW, am I The only one who fear that Manu is traded at the deadline?

I thought that keeping Manu was a no-brainer for Spurs but I'm now not that sure about that. Between the Stoudamire rumor, Manu talking a lot about his future FA status, Manu not playing well, it starts to make a lot of negative signs. I would hate to see Manu being traded but I'm starting to be ready at that idea.

spurs won't trade manu unless they get someone that dramatically improves them. they won't make a wild gamble in stoudemire so it'll have to be a player the spurs can't turn down like bosh. ginobili is hurting the team with his poor shooting but not playing like complete trash to warrant a trade. he still creates plays and plays defense.

[HarlemHeat37]

I disagree about needing a player of the caliber of a Bosh to make the trade..Bosh is a top 12ish player in the NBA, that's a stretch to expect that, and I highly doubt it would take somebody of that caliber for a Manu trade..

I agree that the Spurs won't trade Manu for anything that could be a lateral move or a huge risk though..I wouldn't do that either, which is why I'm not necessarily "fearing" a Manu trade, even though I love him as a player..if he is traded, I would expect it to be for a good package..

If Philly doesn't want RJ but would take Manu + expirings and/or fillers for an Iggy/Dalembert package, would the Spurs reject that?..it would fill 2 needs..that type of trade would be interesting and possibly intriguing for the FO..

[TMTTRIO]

BTW, am I The only one who fear that Manu is traded at the deadline?

I thought that keeping Manu was a no-brainer for Spurs but I'm now not that sure about that. Between the Stoudamire rumor, Manu talking a lot about his future FA status, Manu not playing well, it starts to make a lot of negative signs. I would hate to see Manu being traded but I'm starting to be ready at that idea.

I would not be surprised if it happens. I always use to think that Manu would retire with the Spurs but like you said the way he is struggling along with the team the Spurs may need to do something big. Another thing is since he's going to be a Free Agent this summer why not get talent out of him now instead of letting him walk this summer. Also lately the way he's been talking such as how he now knows it's a business and that he has a lot of respect for Pop even if he's playing somewhere else kind of points to him being gone soon.

[Muser]

BTW, am I The only one who fear that Manu is traded at the deadline?

I thought that keeping Manu was a no-brainer for Spurs but I'm now not that sure about that. Between the Stoudamire rumor, Manu talking a lot about his future FA status, Manu not playing well, it starts to make a lot of negative signs. I would hate to see Manu being traded but I'm starting to be ready at that idea.

I would be okay with trading Manu as long as the Spurs got real good quality in return, I love Manu and everything he's done but i'd rather have what's best for the team.

[Muser]

But you have to remember the Spurs would only trade Manu if they got some real good talent in return, i'm too lazy to see who could be gotten but i'm sure Manu + other expirings could get a nice return.

[DPG21920]

I would be very surprised to see Manu traded. I think the FO office believes they have a shot with this core with or without another trade. Just my gut feeling.

[MaNu4Tres]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=ykwp99h

Throw in the rights to Splitter.

And if necessary have an agreement under the table where Finley is bought out.

[Bruno]

I would be okay with trading Manu as long as the Spurs got real good quality in return, I love Manu and everything he's done but i'd rather have what's best for the team.

If Spurs do a trade (with or without Manu), it will be of course with the goal to improve the team.

I'm using the word "fear" because, as a fan, it would damn sucks to see Manu leaving Spurs, like it sucked with Bruce this summer.

[HarlemHeat37]

The Bowen trade is exactly why it wouldn't surprise me if Manu got traded..even though the cir stances were different, if you told me in 2007 that Bruce Bowen would be traded at any point, I wouldn't have believed you..yes, Bowen was much older, but I always thought that Bowen would retire as a Spur..

Now if Finley got traded and didn't return, THAT would surprise me..Pop would never allow it though..

[MaNu4Tres]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=ykwp99h

Throw in the rights to Splitter.

And if necessary have an agreement under the table where Finley is bought out.

Spurs really need Marks back.

[DPG21920]

Not to mention that the less risky, presumably cheaper option is to keep Manu.

[5in10]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yf42fsg

helps us now and help builds for the future, although that would be a lot of people to incorporate before playoffs. Throw in the rights to splitter if you have to and if people want raja bell you can mix and match.

[HarlemHeat37]

I would prefer to keep Manu too if we can trade expirings/Splitter/1st round pick for something, or a package of Jefferson + assets for something..

There's obviously a chance that Manu may have to go if we want something though..I'm obviously hoping we can make a good trade without involving him, as I'm sure most Spurs fans are too..

[DPG21920]

I would absolutely be crushed if Manu is traded. It is a risky move because if it does not pay off, then you are going to have a lot of hard feelings.

[5in10]

I would absolutely be crushed if Manu is traded. It is a risky move because if it does not pay off, then you are going to have a lot of hard feelings.

Completly agree, it would be heart breaking, and I might even tear up.

[Bruno]

I seriously doubt Spurs have talked with Sixers about a trade.

There is a Sixers poster with inside sources on realgm and he hasn't mentioned Spurs as a team that has talked with Philly.

[DPG21920]

I find any trade like the Philly one hard to believe. It makes sense from our point-of-view, but not real life. You hardly ever see moves like that, especially with regards to the Spurs. I simply have no idea what this front office is thinking right now. There are plenty of things that make sense in theory, but I cannot even begin to act like I know what the Spurs are trying to do.


My gut tells me though that they will stand pat with the big 3.

[AFBlue]

BTW, am I The only one who fear that Manu is traded at the deadline?

I thought that keeping Manu was a no-brainer for Spurs but I'm now not that sure about that. Between the Stoudamire rumor, Manu talking a lot about his future FA status, Manu not playing well, it starts to make a lot of negative signs. I would hate to see Manu being traded but I'm starting to be ready at that idea.

I wrote about how it might make sense to trade Ginobili earlier in the thread and have re-posted below.

Let me explain...

Because the Spurs are over the cap and can only sign a player for up to the MLE, and because losing a player like Ginobili decreases the chances that the Spurs can legitimately contend, he'll have all the bargaining power in negotiations.

That means Manu could essentially hold the Spurs hostage this summer and the end result is likely to be unfavorable anyway you look at it...Spurs end up overpaying/signing for too many years or Spurs lose "contender" status because Manu walks.

With that in mind, I'd also consider trading Ginobili for Iguadola or either of Jamison/Butler.

The "fear" for me is that any trade including Ginobili will more than likely put the Spurs farther from championship contention in the short term. You don't just take away someone THAT integral to the offense and replace them, no matter how talented the player is the Spurs receive in return.

Still, if the Spurs don't feel like they can get over the top this year with their current roster and a trade comes along that makes sense in the long-term, I think it's entirely possible Manu is dealt.

Having said that, I'd still put long odds on something that big coming together before deadline day.

[HarlemHeat37]

I doubt the Philly trade happens too, I was just pointing out an example of a deal that would give us a good return..

I really have no idea what they will do, but I think there will be a trade..if there isn't, I will be extremely disappointed..I can't possibly imagine that the Spurs FO can believe that this current team is enough to even make the WCF..if they don't make a deal, I take it that the Spurs have given up on this season and will hope that Splitter and minor signings can make a difference for next year..there's also RJ on an expiring contract..there's also the whole lockout possibility, so that might change things as well..

I would understand that type of mentality and the mentality that they don't want to take on any further risks that can hurt the Spurs long-term since the RJ deal was risky enough(hasn't worked out like we wanted), but it would still disappoint me..