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Then "The FO tried to win [with their offseason moves]" is not an acceptable reasoning. Present tense should be used considering the trade deadline is a month away still.
we don't have the right players for pop's system, not dice, not RJ! WHEN WILL POP GET IT?
Then "The FO tried to win [with their offseason moves]" is not an acceptable reasoning. Present tense should be used considering the trade deadline is a month away still.
I have a feeling that most of the FO and Spurs fans thought Dice would be enough.
No, because my point remains that Spurs fans were happy with the off season moves and that just because they are under achieving does not mean the FO sucks.
I have already said that you need to give it time for them to make another move or decision.
I disagree..those guys are to match salaries in a trade for another expiring + adding in sweeteners like 1st round picks and/or Splitter's rights..or using those expirings to trade for a bad contract to a team willing to salary dump, which is very common in the NBA right now..
Jackson would have helped this team immensely by the way.
A lot more than Jefferson to say the least.
I have to admit that I was originally happy with the Spurs moves.
As unpopular as it sounds, I think RJ can/will be a very big asset come playoff time. The fans who are disappointed in him are the fans who expected him to come in here averaging 20 a game. RJ's chemistry with the rest of the team is noticeably more developed than it was early on. When the offense stalls, RJ can bring athleticism that no one else on the team has to offer. In all honesty, RJ is basically what he was supposed to be. He was brought in to infuse the offense, and he's done just that. This team has the best offensive numbers of any Spurs team in the Duncan era.
The problems are not on the offensive end. The problems are in the paint. If a deal is made, it needs to be for a big man who can guard the paint. Camby isn't a great man-defender, but he doesn't have to be. His length and experience would be great for weak side defense and changing shots. And that's what Duncan and the Spurs need at this point.
I wanted to move Manu for Iggy and Dalembert last year and no one said that would be a good move. Now I see people want these guys.
Trading Manu now makes the most sense. He is on the rapid decline and won't be worth much of anything in a couple of years.
I was one of them. I felt like the Spurs could make this work since they have a veteran, all-pros type of team and incredible coaching.
Everyone was wrong, thus far. The problems on offense stem from the entire system itself. The problems on defense stem from a lack of qualified personnel.
It is what it is. Moving forward time is now.
+100000.
RJ was suppose to make the big 4. (ST posters opinions)
Dice was the answer to beating the Lakers bigs. (ST posters opinions)
Now that these guys suck, some posters are acting like the FO was stupid in the decisions they made. And that they should have evaluated better. People were on their nuts in the offseason. now they suck to them. We're not the Lakers. We're not gonna get players easily because no one wants to play here because of the lack of media hype. We cant just sign Dwight Howard or LeBron James. We have to settle for less unfortunately. Not the FO's fault.
I think definitely emotions are running high right now right after the loss, and while some of the anger may not be entirely justified, it definitely stems from the Spurs lack of achievement so far and the bleak out look of the team. I mean, it doesn't look like we are going to improve much currently with what we have, but also if we try to add in more new players, we are still going to have trouble.
I never said they made mistakes in the off-season. They're making the mistakes NOW, and I've made that abundantly clear.
I'd prefer to hold Mason out of the deal, but I definitely wouldn't let him be a deal breaker.
Get them thinking? Unless they're dead set against trading Iguodala, I'm not sure they could do better. Mason, more than an expiring contract, would be a useful piece for the notoriously poor outside shooting 76ers. They have one knock down shooter on the roster, Kapono and he's now fallen out of the rotation for the time being. Even Bonner they could potentially use for this same reason. So two guys that they could actually use, a huge expiring contract (Jefferson) that will be a useful asset next season, plus Splitter and a 1st, which are both quality assets. That's a ton of value, just to move an overpaid non-franchise player (Iguodala) AND to get to dump a bad contract (Dalembert) in the process? I don't know if the 76ers could turn this down.
Spurs roster (with this hypothetical trade)
Starters: PF- Duncan, SF- Iguodala, C- Dalembert, SG- Finley, PG- Parker
Bench: SG- Ginobili, PF- McDyess, PG/SG- Hill, PF- Blair, SG- Bogans, C- Ratliff, SG/SF- Hairston
Inactive: C/PF- Mahinmi
Obviously, they'd need to add depth in the form of another SF-sized swing man who could knock down the three at a good clip and a run of the mill third PG, but as a base that's a strong, clearly defined top eight as a playoff rotation. I'm not big on Finley starting, but with with that starting lineup I'd want a 40% 3 point shooter to stretch the floor.
Last edited by TD 21; 01-23-2010 at 12:26 AM.
lmao nice sigz
No question the Spurs need to improve and they need to make a trade. I don't think they are that far off (based on what I believe to be reasonable assumptions). A solid inside defensive player will do. The rest will be on the big 3's ability to elevate their game.
Can't blame a FO for giving a core one last shot.
1-14 the Spurs are good enough to win a le. The front office doesn't suck. The coach does. The only real front office mistake was to fail to pickup Mahinmi's option. That wouldn't be a big deal if the problem weren't compounded by the coach who would rather see the team lose than expose the mistake.
What mistakes are they making now? That they are under achieving? What can they do to fix that? Is it a mistake that they have not already made a trade? Because that seems unreasonable.
To the contrary they suck even more because they have direct access to info that Joe Q SpursTalk does not. Ie interviews, medical reports.
I never thought was the answer altho anyone was an upgrade over Fins at the SF/PF.
The shot isn't over, not nearly. The FO and Coach Pop can't be given your 'free pass for trying' yet.
I was extremely disappointed with the acquisition of RJ. I wasn't shy about posting it either and was cursed out big time, so I kept it more to myself and let it all play out.
As far as Dice is concerned, The spurs needed to replace Kurt Thomas and their were few options at the time. All I expected from him was to come in here and get some rebounds and take some pressure of TD. I envisioned him starting alongside Timmy and he's been a complete flop.
What free pass? I am saying given the "current" cir stances they need to try and make another move.
The thing is, unless the coach divorces his current marriage with Small Ball(tm), bringing in another big to watch the game from the bench is not going to do absolutely anything.
We alreayd have a roster with:
1) the young promising stud big man who is undersized like Malik rose but knows how to rebound
2) the young athletic big man that shows promise but can't stop fouling people
3) the trusty old vet that has a money jumper but can't stop anybody
4) the situational 3 point shooting big that spaces the floor and rarely does much more
5) the situational shot blocker vet that is only good for that
and until yesterday:
6) the dissed youngster that rebuilt his career in Europe but still can't cut into a rotation
Yet, we play RJ and Roger Mason at PF...
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